|Long Island Rail Road Anecdotes|
Ah, the Jamaica lockers. I haven't thought of them for eons.
As an extra board ticket seller during the summers of the late 1960's, I often covered the 12 noon-8 p.m. job at Jamaica while the regular man was on vacation. This job not only sold tickets, but had responsibility for a wide assortment of interesting (?) tasks. I maintained the ticket stock room in the basement, collected cash from the pay toilets (remember them?) and penny scale in the waiting room (I should have taken a photo of that baby), and .... was in charge of the several banks of storage lockers in the concourse.
The regular man took a "leisurely" approach to enforcing the time limits, allowing non-paying users several free days before finally putting a "plug" in the lock when items where still not removed or more money inserted. Rarely were items removed for non-payment as they would have to be boxed up and sent to Flatbush Avenue for eventual claim by owners or disposition, a real pain-in-the-xxx job.
Being young and gung-ho to impress my boss, station agent Gene Maraz (sp?), I decided to follow the rules to the letter. No more of these free days to the slackers of Archer Avenue!
Well, the guys up in accounting wondered where all the storage money was coming from! With me doing all the sweaty work of boxing up abandoned belongings, I think Gene was more amused than impressed with my efforts. The other ticket sellers were mostly annoyed as there was a constant stream of people wondering why their locker was plugged or their stuff was gone. The owner had to pay the storage fee, of course, and each ticket seller had to write up the paperwork for the 50 cents, $1.00, whatever, for all these folks and then traipse up to the concourse to unplug the lock. Or dig through the pile of stuff in the back of the office to find the persons belongings, assuming they hadn't already gone off to Flatbush Ave.
I got to hear an unending stream of hard-luck stories from the multitude who couldn't believe we were enforcing the rules which were clearly stated on the door of each locker. I also heard from the other ticket sellers some of the horror stories of things left in lockers in days past (don't ask). Fortunately, I just found paper bags of dirty clothing, old food and the like. A lot of folks literally lived out of these lockers! Photo: Penny Scale 3/1944 Archive: Dave Keller
I worked on the LIRR in the mid 60’s announcing trains at Jamaica.
It was an unusual operation in that the diesel trains would pull up on a
outside track, train from Penn Station in the center and train from
Flatbush on the inside. It was all high platforms there. The
guy in the center would open doors on both sides allowing transfers from
and to any of the trains there. The Flatbush Ave trains were the oldest
equipment because of the restrictive curve and platforms in the Flatbush
Station. Most of them were not air conditioned. During the evening
rush hour, it was wild to watch the young secretaries step on the seat
and then through the window to the platform to avoid the crush of
transferring passengers at the doors. I remember one day a train
coming down off the Nostrand Ave trestle into the East New York tunnel
sucked a bunch of pigeons through the open windows into the car. Birds
were flapping, feathers flying and people screaming and swatting at the
birds. When the train stopped at East New York the conductor raced
to the phone ringing the dispatcher. He stated that the train was
full of birds and what should be do. The dispatcher answered, what
are you bothering me for, charge them half fare and hung up.
I can go on and on about the great people I have met who worked for the LIRR during my teen years and how well I was treated by the vast majority.
I was born in Woodside, lived by the Bulova watch building, and when my family moved out to Copiague, I always spent part of my summer (an other school vacations) at my great grandmother's on 64th Street .
I was riding the LIRR to Woodside alone by the time I was 10 years old. My father would put me on the train, and tell the conductor where I was going, and let me know if I had to change at Jamaica. My great aunt would meet me at the Woodside station. During the week, she would give me $1 when she left for work in the morning, and I would plan my day's ramble.
I could go over to 65th Street and the BMT and take the train to the Museum of Natural History, or over to 61st Street and hop the IRT to the city, or go to visit friends in Jackson Heights or Corona (and later to the World's Fair and Shea). Sometimes, I took the bus to LaGuardia and sat up on the terminal roof and watched planes. Other times, the Rockaway bus on 61st took me to the beach or Playland. I even rode the Fifth Avenue bus along Roosevelt when I wanted to go over the bridge to Manhattan or out to the Sunnyside yards to watch trains. That dollar would cover my round trip fares (30 cents) and a lunch (hot dog and soda for about 60 cents) and leave me a dime to buy a comic book at the tobacco store on 39th Ave , between 64th and 65th.
You are right about the modeling possibilities of Roosevelt Ave. , and that is part of why I want to do this area. I always liked the 61st Street IRT / LIRR station complex. The entrance way to the LIRR platforms on 61st were just a boring tunnel compared to the stairs leading up to the IRT mezzanine over Roosevelt . And that escalator on the south-east corner of Roosevelt & 61st was great. Closed inside the shed, bouncing and bumping its way up that seemingly great height, was a fantastic noisy ride. From the mezzanine (where we used to play handball against the walls) you could look down on the LIRR platforms.
I still have vivid memories of Roosevelt Avenue, although I can't quite place everything in their exact spots. I do remember the tiny corner newspaper/tobacco shop, at the foot of the stairs leading up to the El. To the left of the entry door, there was a window, from which you could order a root beer in a frosted mug and one of those famous NYC big salted hot pretzels from. Inside, you could get newspapers (there were about 5-6 NYC papers at the time, and they all had multiple editions each day!), magazines, candy, and cigarettes. Outside the store, under the LIRR bridge, was a big wooden table with the papers stacked up, held down by iron weights with the name of the paper cast into it and a depression for you to put the coins to pay for the paper you took. Next to that, heading towards 62nd, was the shoe shine man. I seem top remember that there were four chairs up on a platform, with foot rests where you placed the shoe to be shined. The shoeshine man sat on a box on the sidewalk as he shined your shoes. Sometimes all the chairs were full, and one or two men would be shining all those shoes.
Next to the shine stand was the open air vegetable and fruit stand, still under the LIRR. Across the street, by the escalator was an old diner and a bar, tucked under the bridge. As you came out from under the bridge, there was a hobby shop that I spent lots of time and money in as a kid. I used to buy a model plane or AMT car every time I visited Woodside, and would work on them back at the apartment at night. A few doors down was the Deluxe movie house. I remember many double features and matinees with cartoons, serials and newsreels at the Deluxe and also over at the Sunnyside. My father, who grew up in Woodside, always called the Deluxe the "Fleabag" for some unknown reason. Other stores I remember along Roosevelt were the bakery (that always used that red and white string to tie the box with your purchase closed), the candy store, a couple of clothing stores and one or two shoe shops, the grocery store (was it a Cracker Barrel or an Associated?) with those cool (at least to me) delivery bikes with the little front wheel and the giant basket and the triangular kick stand and the back wheel the held the bike upright when parked, and the butcher's, with the chickens and sausages hanging from the hooks in the window and the sawdust on the floor, at least one jewelry store and wasn't there an army-navy type store there as well.
It would be fun to get pictures of all those store fronts, or a map showing the name and location of all the stores along Roosevelt from 65th to 60th. If you remember any other details or find any photos you would care to share, let me know. I still have much to do with just mapping out the two stations and getting reference photos of the structures and the immediate area of Roosevelt Ave., so the rest of the street scene will come later, but gathering the information will be ongoing.
Even though I grew up in Woodside and used both the LIRR and IRT stations hundreds and hundreds of times, I have precious few photos at Woodside. While Woodside was substantially rebuilt during the 90's, it did undergo big changes for the 64-65 Worlds Fair. That was when the railroad had a ground level ticket office (a large three window affair with a passageway connecting the three platforms). The late Ben Dwyer, who was once a teacher, handled this busy agency--Ben was an East End refugee who had worked early in his career as an agent-operator with people of the stature of Jimmy Osborne
The platform A ticket office was built new to accommodate the agency and newsstand and platform B got its own ticket office to at first handle Worlds Fair sales and then AM rush hour only sales. It also opened for Jets and Mets Games but that separate facility probably closed for good in the late 70's.
Prior to the 64-65 Fair, Woodside had an express office at the east end of Platform C. There was a concrete pathway across the Port Wash tracks to access Platform B from the express house. That building was demolished prior to the Fair because it was unused and was considered an eyesore to Fair passengers. During a short period in 1964, the unused waiting room/ticket office structures at Elmhurst were demolished and Corona was totally obliterated.
1960 is an excellent year. The intersection of 61st Street and Roosevelt Ave was a modeler's dream with shoe shine stands, fruit and vegetable stands under the LIRR bridge, a diner, restaurant, several taverns, a Bickford's, two bakeries, candy stores, the DeLuxe Theatre, a Merkel's butcher shop. The list goes on and on.
Major changes were coming to the railroad industry in 1966. Traditional methods were succumbing to new ideas as the nation’s railroads struggled to survive declining revenues and increasing highway completion.
our geographic area, the Aldene Plan was one year away from silencing
CNJ’s Jersey City train sheds--New York Central broke ground for the
Alfred E. Perlman yard in Selkirk, NY, while a jet-powered RDC ran two
days of tests on the water level route in Ohio. --Lehigh Valley had hung
up the “Freight Only” sign five years earlier simultaneous with the
New Haven filing for bankruptcy—Penn Central was a mere two years in the
future while the creation of Amtrak was five years away. Notable fallen
flags included Rutland, Lehigh and New England, Ann Arbor, Wabash, Erie,
and Delaware, Lackawanna and Western.
Significant changes were progressing on the LIRR:
I had a mere four years seniority on the LIRR and was working as a second-trick engine dispatcher in Morris Park. It was my duty to assign engineers and fireman to open or extra assignments and record the locomotives assigned to the various trains. It was a busy position – the men constantly called in for their assignments, or had to be called, called off sick or asked for days off and vacations and extra trains had to be covered. Any errors (and they happened) meant a train without an engineer or fireman.
mark-up board, visible from both sides, displayed all assignments by run
number and the men’s names on colored wooden blocks next to the
assignment. Different colors denoted status: RED – extra men, BLACK –
regular men, BLUE – restricted men, etc. By re-arranging the blocks, the
board gave an accurate location of each man – approximately 700
engineers and firemen.
You got to know the men very well – who would work in a pinch or what assignments certain men preferred. The men had various nicknames such as: Cab Signal, Soup Greens, Swine Butt, Clinker Joe, Meatball, Bat, Pretty boy, East and; West, Lying Tom, Pudding Head, Iron Hat, Flat Day and Broken Arrow.
interesting extra freight movements were: South Side Extras – coal
trains from Yard “A” to LILCO in Island Park. The coal general came in
B&O hoppers – was floated to L.I. City and assembled in 60-70 car
trains in Yard “A”. Four or five C420’s, with a push from the yard
engine, brought the train to Richmond Hill Station where two or three
units were cut off. The remaining units took the train to Island Park and
returned with empties – sometimes up to 100 cars.
Radioactive Waste Extras A crew with an RS-1 and rider coach or caboose
went to the L.I. City floatbridges and picked up a U.S. Army of Department
of Defense Pullman with Military Police. They proceeded to Brookhaven Labs
siding and picked up several PRR gondolas with radioactive waste in
lead-lined containers encased in concrete blocks. The train returned to
L.I. City where the cars were floated to the PRR at Greenville for
shipment to Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
Radioactive Waste Extras A crew with an RS-1 and rider coach or caboose went to the L.I. City floatbridges and picked up a U.S. Army of Department of Defense Pullman with Military Police. They proceeded to Brookhaven Labs siding and picked up several PRR gondolas with radioactive waste in lead-lined containers encased in concrete blocks. The train returned to L.I. City where the cars were floated to the PRR at Greenville for shipment to Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
Some interesting passenger movements were: Port Jefferson High School Senior Trips to Washington, D.C. were operated by a crew and an RS-3 picking up 6 or 7 PRR P-70 coaches at “F” Tower – extra to Port Jefferson to pick up the senior class. Returning to “F” Tower, a waiting GG-1 took the train to Washington, D.C. The return trip was handled in like fashion.
High School Prom Trains to Montauk consisted of an RS-1 or RS-3, a
“Balloon-Roof” baggage car for dancing, a bar car and usually two
coaches. Picking up the students at Islip, the train proceeded at 15 mph
to Montauk during the night. Return the next morning was usually preceded
by a dip in the surf and breakfast at Montauk.
Lancaster Chapter – NRHS fan trip to Lancaster, PA to Montauk and return – operated in the same manner as the Port Jefferson school trips, utilizing PRR and other “Foreign” passenger equipment.
the LIRR’s 2 Budd RDC cares were rounding out their final year of
operation, a gas-turbine experimental self-propelled coach built by
Garrett arrived on the LIRR. The resulting tests were never a complete
success and the “GT-1” was just another interesting piece of
was still a year of considerable freight operation on the LIRR.
Double-ended freights (out one day – back the next) operated 6 days/week
to Montauk (L-50), Greenport (L-62), Port Jefferson (L-56), and Ronkonkoma
(L-52). Extras operated during the potato and cauliflower season and
it was not uncommon to have reefers on every siding east of “KO” –
even on the turntable at Greenport. Garden City/Mitchel Field consignees
(Newsday, A&P, etc.) were served by the L-42 nightly. Meat cars for
Flatbush Avenue were delivered via carfloat to L.I. City, then handled
nightly by the MA-7 and Van Drill to the meat houses in Brooklyn. Freight
traffic between Yard “A”, Holban yard, Fresh Pond and Bay Ridge was
handled by at least 6 or 7 “MA” crews daily around the clock.
Yard freight operations consisted of 2 crews around the clock in Bay
Ridge, Bushwick and Yard “A”. 3 crews – all tricks –
operated at the L.I. City floatbridges. Yard “A” also hosted an east
end ladder job, Degnon Terminal drill, Blissville Yard drill, Maspeth
drill and a Laurel Hill crew for Phelps-Dodge Copper at Haberman. New Lots
Yard had an M-80 and Holban Yard had a 10:30pm Hump crew to classify the
next day’s eastbound cars.
Yard freight operations consisted of 2 crews around the clock in Bay Ridge, Bushwick and Yard “A”. 3 crews – all tricks – operated at the L.I. City floatbridges. Yard “A” also hosted an east end ladder job, Degnon Terminal drill, Blissville Yard drill, Maspeth drill and a Laurel Hill crew for Phelps-Dodge Copper at Haberman. New Lots Yard had an M-80 and Holban Yard had a 10:30pm Hump crew to classify the next day’s eastbound cars.
year of our chapter’s inception was an interesting blend of the old and
the new on the LIRR. In December of 1965, the reconstruction of Penn
Station had begun and the PRR had sold the LIRR to the State of New York.
The years hence have brought many changes . . .
Note 1: The only S-1s to have been m.u. were 415-417. When 408 got done it was off of one of those three previously mentioned (likely the 417) and ultimately when the 408 was scrapped, that m.u. equipment went on the 464. So few pix exist of the 464 with m.u. before it burned up with the 466 that it almost went unnoticed! The 465 didn't have it when delivered, but got retrofitted with it when painted in Tichy colors. John Scala