LIRR 4-4-0 #45 12/1870

4-4-0 #45, built by Schenectady in December, 1870, was renumbered #8.

Now . . . the only #8 that the LIRR rosters show in later years (c. 1920) is G54sd (4-6-0) camelback built new in 1902 and retired in the late 1920s.  Therefore, we can conclude that, to avoid duplicate road numbers, (probably the MAIN reason for the renumbering of October, 1, 1898) renumbered 4-4-0 #8 was withdrawn from service either in 1902 or prior to that date, which sounds about right, because:

1.  It was a VERY old locomotive style and not strong enough to pull longer trains.  
2.  It was 18 years older than renumbered #48 mentioned above, which was STILL on the roster until the 1920s.  
3.  Being built in 1870, it would have been 31 years old in 1902 if it were still in service:  a long life for a locomotive!  
4.  In 1902, brand-new G54sd camelback #8 went into road service and there was, obviously, no duplication of road numbers at that point in time.  Research: Dave Keller

0-6-0 Class B51, B52, B52a, B53, B53sb  Numbers: 170 thru 196, inclusive

0-8-0 Class C51s, C51sa Numbers: 251 thru 269, inclusive

4-4-0 Class D16b, D16sb Numbers: 201 thru 231, inclusive

LIRR D16b locomotives were built by the PRR in 1905 and 1906 and had 68" drivers.  The D16sb which was the same class locomotive after superheating conversion and had additional changes made. The D16b had the traditional PRR squared-off firebox.  The D16b originally had a rounded edge to the smokebox (see c. 1912 image below) and the cylinder box was square.  When superheated, they were re-classed D16sb.  The cylinder box was rebuilt in a different shape and a pipe connected that box with the smokebox, allowing superheated steam into the cylinders.  You'll notice the smokebox front was no longer rounded at the edge but sharp like all the other locomotives.  The classification lights were relocated to atop the rebuilt smokebox.  The headlight was repositioned. The number plates on the D16 was just a number.  No lettering. D16's were retired 1925-1934 with the majority of them gone by 1928-29 after the arrival of the G5s fleet. 

4-4-0 Class: D51 #25-26, both built in 1879 and gone in Jan/1912.  D52, D52a, D52b  Numbers: #25 thru #42, inclusive     D54 #64-76, D55, D55a, D56 #82, 84-99  Numbers #64 thru #100, inclusive 

4-4-0 #92 renumbered D52b #39 

Locomotive #92 in Harold Fullerton's 1897 photo was an 1883 Rogers product, becoming #39 in the 1898 renumbering. It was a class D52b and was retired in 1914. (Vincent Seyfried data)

D52 #29 one car train westbound at New Hyde Park c.1898 Archive: Dave Keller

LIRR D54, D55 and D56 locomotives were built by Baldwin between 1893 and 1904 and had 67" or 68" drivers, depending on the class. The D56 had a different boiler shape, rising at about mid-point.  The Domes atop the boiler were of different heights due to this boiler shape.  The number plates on the D56 were quite different from those on the D16 as the D56 wore the Baldwin-style plate with the manufacturer's name in lettering around the circle.  With 2 exceptions, the D54's and D55's were all retired by 1917 (one was scraped in 1913 and one lasted into 1924). D56's were retired 1928-1930 after the arrival of the G5s fleet.

D52 #32 Yaphank 1897
Hal Fullerton photo, Dave Keller archive

D54 #71 Wheelspur Yard view N c.1910
Archive: Dave Keller

Built 1893 and withdrawn from service in April, 1917
per Seyfried's steam roster. 

Behind the cab of #71 is road number #170 class H3
(2-8-0), acquired from the PRR, according to Seyfried's steam roster, and placed in service on October 27, 1905.  The unit was scrapped in 1922.

Therefore, this image taken  from the end of October, 1905 and when the #71 was removed from service in April, 1917.  

D56 #85 Hicksville
Archive: Emery SUNY-Stony-Brook
 

D56 c.1920
Archive: Dave Keller

 
 D56 series 4-4-0 c.1900

D56 #89 Cedarhurst c.1910
Archive: Dave Keller

4-4-0 Camelbacks Class D53, D53a, D53b Numbers: 43 thru 63, inclusive

  #43-63 converted by Baldwin to Camelbacks c. 1895. Ron Ziel

4-4-0 Class D54a Numbers: 308 thru 312, inclusive

4-4-2 Class E1 Numbers: 198 thru 200, inclusive

4-4-2 Camelbacks Class E51, E51sa Numbers: 1 thru 4, inclusive

Edward Hulse started on the LIRR as a fireman in 1887, seven years later he was promoted to Engineman. Engine  no. 1 "Edward W. Hulse " pulling train no. 42 the "Speonk Express" above.

E51sa Camelback #1, sister to #2 of the Golden’s Pickle Works wreck at Calverton, was, at one time, named after her Engineer “Edward Hulse”. Hulse had #1 named after him. The other 3 were unnamed. Dave Keller

E51sa Camelback #1 "Edward Hulse" name painted under the cab window Speonk  c. 1925
Photo: James V. Osborne Archive: Dave Keller
 

 
E51sa #3 Patchogue Crew 1912
Archive: Dave Keller

 
E51sa #3 Morris Park c.1925
Archive: Dave Keller

4-6-0 Class G5s Numbers: 20 thru 50, inclusive

G5s #22 is seen here laying up at Morris Park Shops on February 4, 1938.  In the foreground can be seen the remaining wooden safety guard for a section of electrified third rail which apparently had been removed at the time of this image.  Looking northwest, this photo appears to have been taken about where the "new" concrete coaling tower would be constructed 6 years later.  Collection: Dave Keller 

 
G5s #35 on the layup tracks at Morris Park Shops looking north.  The passenger cars are on the Montauk branch embankment.  The steel stanchion behind the middle car is the floodlight tower for the Richmond Hill Storage Yard.  The structures at the right background are the sanding facilities, etc. at the storage yard 10/06/55 Archive: Dave Keller

G5s #49 c.1940's

4-6-0 Class G51, G51a, G52, G52a Numbers: 101 thru 122, inclusive

#139 Patchogue 1913

#141 Oyster Bay 6/19/38

4-6-0 Camelbacks Class G54sa numbers: 7-9, 16-19 - G54sb numbers: 5-6 10-15

G54sb #6 Coaling Tower LI City 2/26/1921 
George E. Votava collection, Dave Keller archive

G54sa #7 Richmond Hill with train
of steel cars 5/01/15

G54sb #11 crew LI City 7/01/1916 George E. Votava collection, Dave Keller archive

2-8-0 Class H51, H51a Numbers: 151 thru 155, inclusive

7-1-34  H6sb Hillside

H6sb #303 Morris Park 6/1/48
Archive: Dave Keller

 
H6sb #313 c.1935
 Archive: Dave Keller

 
H6sb #314 H6sb #314 with freight near Hempstead Crossing at Country Life Press, Garden City - 1936

2-8-0 Class H10s Numbers: 101 thru 119, inclusive

#110 Patchogue ex-PRR 8610

This  engine is still sporting classification lights atop the smokebox. These were gone from freight engines by 1939. Many lost them much earlier. Info: Dave Keller
 

LIRR #113 King Park Hospital spur 1940's Photo/Archive: Ernie Lanzer

LIRR #113 H10s 2-8-0 crossing Main St./25A, Kings Park c.1950 Photo: Ernie Lanzer Archive: Kings Park Heritage Museum

 
#117 Holban Yard with the Montauk branch elevated viaduct at the far right curving down to the south shore.  Hollis-Hillside c.1935
Archive: Dave Keller

#117 Babylon 1940

2-6-2T Class S51 Numbers: 20 thru 24, inclusive

#22 Builders Photo
Archive: Dave Keller

The PRR leased locomotives to the LIRR from 1900 until October, 1951, on a monthly basis as needs arose. In October of 1951 all remaining PRR-leased locos had been returned to the parent road with one odd exception occurring in August, 1955.

The locomotives that came over in the early part of the 1900s were built in the 1880s and 1890s. Other locomotives like the K4s and E6s were built in the 'teens'.

The PRR issued form MP229 which listed the PRR-leased locomotives that were on the LIRR property by month and year. Some locomotives came over for a brief period of service and were returned. Some locomotives went back and forth numerous times. Other locomotives spent many years on LIRR property and nearly their entire career on site. For example the LIRR's roster of H10s locomotives built in the early to mid 'teens and received from the PRR between 1928 and 1930.

The K4s locomotives were used not only on runs to the Hamptons and Montauk, beginning with the construction of the much stronger "K4 bridge" over the Shinnecock Canal in 1931, but also ran on the Main Line and the Port Jefferson branches. In addition, several K4s locomotives spent a great deal of time on the LIRR and one in particular, #5406, was built by the PRR's shops and spent its entire lifespan in LIRR service until returned in 1950-51.

Heavy duty PRR L1 class Mikados were leased for use on the western end of the LIRR's system during WWII, primarily along the Bay Ridge branch to assist in wartime freight consists and were returned to the parent road after the war ended, with a few being set up in the Wheelspur Yard in L I City as stationary boilers to provide steam for passenger cars stored there. Unfortunately many of the railfans were overseas in the military during this period of time and by the time the war ended and they came home, they had missed being able to photograph the L1 class locos as they, too, were gone.

As for how they arrived on Long Island: It has been explained to me by a highly knowledgeable LIRR locomotive gurus that leased PRR engines were brought to Long Island by car float at Bay Ridge. Their pilots were removed in the process. This had to be done when engines were loaded onto and unloaded off of car floats because the weight of the front of the engine would depress the car float when being moved onto and off of the pier.

What amazes me the most about the transfer of locomotives between the PRR and the LIRR is that for a period of 51 years: 1900 to 1951, locomotives came and went between the two railroads via car float and not a single photo of any of these transfers was taken by any of the numerous amount of railfans that began photographing the LIRR from the mid-1930s until the end of steam or by earlier fans such as LIRR block operator and later agent James V. Osborne who photographed the LIRR in from the early 1920s until the early 1930s. If any were taken, I've yet to see one.

Additionally, once Penn Station and the Hudson and East River tunnels were constructed, the PRR didn't simply add them to a train's consist and pull them into, through and out of the tunnels via DD1 and later GG1 electric locomotives instead of via car floats. Research: Dave Keller

B6sb #2015 Morris Park 21/10/39
Archive: Dave Keller

0-6-0 Class B8 Numbers: 27, 229, 539, 664, 665, 919, 1056, 1105, 1108, 1109, 1152, 1249, 1415, 1504, 2362, 2502, 2504, 2784, 3134, 3243

B8 #1109 LI City 1946
Archive: Dave Keller

4-4-2 Class E3sd Numbers: 186, 917, 955, 1044, 1413, 2985, 2999, 3005, 3148, 3149, 3152, 3154, 3158,4106, 4170, 4176

PRR E3sd #3148 westbound at Irish Lane, East Islip 1/27/1940 Archive: EIHS

4-4-2 Class E6s Numbers: 51, 169, 198, 230, 402, 435, 460, 530, 563, 645, 737, 779, 1179, 1238, 1287, 1321, 1333, 1347, 1351, 1470, 1564, 1600, 1611, 1680, 1694, 5209

E6s #737 Patchogue 1946
Dave Keller archive

4-4-2 Class E7s Numbers: 7213, 7315, 7379, 7407, 7482, 7484, 7497, 7601, 7622, 7685, 7766, 8033, 8075, 8482, 8492, 8496, 8498, 8499, 8534, 8587, 8631, 8633, 9713, 9714, 9716, 9719, 9720, 9723, 9818, 9819, 9820

4-6-0 Class G5s Numbers: 1589, 1961, 5703, 5704, 5706, 5707, 5714, 5717, 5724, 5741

 
PRR H6 (no superheater) #1868 at LI City  on 4/11/1920

H8sb #693 Mineola 12/27/48
Archive: Dave Keller

2-8-0 Class H9s Numbers: 155, 237, 357, 363, 392, 396, 429, 486, 540, 543, 580, 614, 692, 746, 813, 910, 1084, 1111, 1144,  1265, 1370, 1382, 1421, 1484, 1493, 1495, 1500, 1504, 1508, 1532, 1558, 1559, 1561, 1795, 1797, 1803, 1806, 2090, 2386, 2486, 2824, 2826, 2927, 3217, 3419, 3468, 3470, 3475, 3478, 3493, 3513, 3521, 3522, 3523, 3526, 3527, 3530, 3534, 3539, 3540, 3601, 3602, 3615, 3620, 3685, 4147, 4153, 4180, 5139, 5172, 5264, 5624

PRR H9s  2-8-0

PRR H9s # 910 running light-eastbound MP6 Woodhaven Blvd., Glendale 1/31/1948 (Hermanns-Keller

4-6-2 Class K2s Numbers: 732, 1245, 1458, 3325, 3366, 3378, 3570

K2s #1458 Divide Hicksville 1940
T. J. Sommer, photo, Dave Keller archive

K2s #1458 Mineola 2/12/37
George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive

4-6-2 Class K4s Numbers:  269, 383, 389, 518, 719, 830, 920, 958, 1139, 1384, 1395, 1554, 1730, 1737, 1984, 1985, 3655, 3728, 3731, 3734, 3738, 3740, 3741, 3744, 3750, 3751, 3752, 3753, 3754, 3757, 3771, 3805, 3838, 3841, 3843, 3854, 3873, 3880, 3887, 5072, 5238, 5296, 5336, 5348, 5349, 5365, 5375, 5385, 5387, 5389, 5393, 5394, 5395, 5396, 5406, 5407, 5409, 5410, 5411, 5414, 5428, 5432, 5434, 5438, 5455, 7267, 7270, 7275, 7938, 8225, 8378

PRR K4s #830 Jamaica 05/21/40 
Archive:  Ron Zinn

PRR K4s #3740 westbound at Irish Lane, East Islip  Archive: EIHS

K4s #5406 Cold Spring Harbor 3/16/47 
Archive: Dave Keller

K4s #5406 backing under Montauk branch to access Richmond Hill storage yard. 1950
Archive: Dave Keller

K4s #5409 Montauk ash pit 1940
T. J. Sommer photo, Dave Keller archive

Special thanks to Dave Keller for providing the text and photos, unless noted.