LIRR Hooping Orders

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Caboose N52, Train #L56 Port Jefferson freight.  Pete Lutchksa, Block Operator at Divide, hooping orders to the Conductor. Summer 1954

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Montauk bound train receiving Hooping orders at  PD Tower 12/1997 
Photo/Archive:  Bob Bender

 

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FM C-liner eastbound on Port Jefferson branch  at "DIVIDE" tower, Hicksville, NY  12/05/54. Byron Rushmore Feed and Coal distant right.  ( Kohl -Keller)

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Engineer Robert Creighton of LIRR #113 H10s at Divide Tower getting hooped orders Summer 1954 Archive: Art Huneke

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FM #2006 Orders at Montauk

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FM H16-44 #1507 hoping orders at DIVIDE Hicksville 1955 
close-up Archive: Dave Keller

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FM  H16-44 #1506 Crew Deer Park 1957 Photo: J. P. Krzenski photo

 

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Conductor Richard Mancini on eastbound Montauk train #4 getting orders from block operator Ed Sorensen at “PD” tower, Patchogue 1971 Photo: Dave Keller

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Engineer of RS3 #1559 westbound with Patchogue-Babylon “Scoot” getting orders from operator Ed Sorensen at PD tower, Patchogue 8/1971  Photo: Dave Keller

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LIRR #1559 at PD Tower 1970
Photo: Dave Keller

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Engineer Becker with C420 #226 on eastbound Montauk train #4 getting orders from operator Ed Sorensen at PD tower, Patchogue 1971 Photo: Dave Keller 

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LIRR MP15AC's #164, #155 ballast train hooping orders at PD, Patchogue 10/22/78

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DK Deer Park Orders 1975
Photo: Tim Darnell

The fellow on the ground in the white shirt and tan pants is Dick Ifferte. He was the first trick Agent-Operator at DK. I think he remained there until the job was abolished with the electrification to KO. Info: Jim Gillin

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MP-15ac  #152 with Rick Walters, first trick Agent-Operator Deer Park, 
giving the orders to train RF-61. 4/1978 Info/Photo: Jim Gillin

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J. A. Gillin 2nd trick Agent-Operator Deer Park [DK] handing up orders to RF-59 late afternoon in Jan, 1978.  Photo: by G. P. Lind Archive:  Jim Gillin

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Nassau Tower Orders 1976
Photo: Tim Darnell

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Ronkonkoma Orders 07/1975
Photo: Tim Darnell

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Ronkonkoma KO  Orders 1976
Photo: Tim Darnell

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Eastbound train receiving orders at PD Tower, Summer 1980. Photo: Jack Deasy

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LIRR #262 PD orders 09/18/98 
Photo: Joe Saullo

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Chris Soundy hooping orders to the Engineer at PD
Photo: Pat Masterson 05/04/06


Chris Soundy hooping orders to the  conductor at PD  Photo: Pat Masterson 05/04/06

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Train 2704 on 04/27/06 at PD 
Photo: Nick Kudreyko

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Train 2704 on 04/27/06 at PD 
Photo: Nick Kudreyko
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Eastbound LIRR #4202 at B Tower Bethpage receiving orders from Sal Valenti, Block Operator 1/1979 Photo: Jim Gillin
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LIRR Form 19
Train 2716 on 07/20/06 at Babylon 
Collection: Nick Kudreyko

 

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Train 2716 on 07/20/06 at Babylon 
Photo: Nick Kudreyko

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Train 2716 on 07/20/06 at Babylon 
Photo: Nick Kudreyko

FORM 19 - TRAIN ORDER FORM

The Form 19 was a train order given verbally via the dispatcher in Jamaica (Room 204) to every block operator on the system as it pertained to his individual section of track, etc.

The operator would answer the dispatcher's phone (or in the days of telegraph, he would hear his call letter tapping over the line, and sign on: "PD" would have been .....   -..)

He would take a blank From 19 pad, insert carbon paper to get the required amount of copies and a hard backing so as to provide a hard writing surface and copy the order, by hand, from the dispatcher. 

He would then repeat the order back to the dispatcher.  If all was correct, he would put the superintendent of transportation's initials across the bottom of the order, "make the order complete", sign the order and put the time it was made complete.

He would then take the top two copies and put them on the order hoops or "Y"s, holding one up to the engineer and the other up to the conductor.  This procedure was also done to freights. (The office copies were put on a hook on the wall.  At the end of the month, they were bundled up and tossed in the attic of "PD". 

Also included in with the order may have been various forms of clearance cards (ex: "K" card, "C" card, etc.) Research: Dave Keller

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Old Order Hoop  
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Sample Order affixed to Hoop
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Close-up of Hoop Clip

Here's another Form 19 from Patchogue before the days of "PD".  The block station call letters were "PG" and was located in the depot. When "PD" cabin and later "PD" tower opened, the station retained "PG" as their telegraphic call letters for station business and "PD" was put in use for the block business. It reads:

Train Order No. 29                                         Apl 4, 1906

For:  PG              To:  C/E            Of: No. 504

No. 503 five hundred three will meet No. 504 five hundred four at Oakdale.

                                            F.H.W.

Rec'd: 1:07 pm     Made:  Complete 1:11 pm     Rec'd by: Webb, Opr.

You'll also notice that the orders show the use of the old train numbers (500 series) prior to the days of Montauk trains having single digits and Speonk trains having double digits (except on weekends and holidays where they became 4 digit numbers). You'll also notice they're written on Long Island Railroad Company stationery. (Railroad as one word!!)

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LIRR Form 19
Dave Keller Collection