LIRR P54  Ping Pong Cars

The "ping pong" cars were built in 1927, with the intent of later conversion for MU service. The entire railroad was envisioned to be electrified by 1963, so the P54's were equipped with the "temporary" trucks that we all know remained in service until 1974. At that time one of them literally disintegrated at high speed when the center pin fell out in Woodside, the truck struck a plate girder bridge and precipitated the immediate scrapping of the last of them. The interior lighting on these cars was powered by 32 volt batteries charged by a small generator run off the axle through a wide leather belt. The light bulbs were 32 volt light bulbs. When the glass batteries went bad, the lights would dim or extinguish whenever the train slowed or stopped. The heating was steam supplied by the locomotives.

The several ping pongs that were converted to electric service probably became the T-45B class, and I never heard of any cars equipped with shoes that remained in steam service. I do know that there was a class of car (part of the T-54 class) that was an MU trailer without batteries, heating, fans or interior lighting. These were placed in service to handle Rockaway Beach summer service and later Aqueduct and Jamaica Race Track trains. These were also arch-roof cars.

I would suspect that any "ping pong" that was equipped with third rail shoes had its "temporary" shop-type trucks replaced and became a trailer car for use in MU territory. I know of no 32 volt steam coach that was ever equipped with third rail shoes for "charging" batteries for use in diesel territory.  Info: K&K

I just wanted to clarify something you said. Technically, pings were steam/diesel hauled cars. They were originally built as MUs and had the traction motors and all the equipment associated with electric operation. When they were converted to steam operation, they lost weight and, therefore, bounced like a ping pong ball! But we all knew you were referring to the MP54's.

Yes, you might say the Long Island did have trouble with them. What ended the life of the ping-pongs was the instant deterioration of a truck at Woodside at a high rate of speed on a summer day in the mid-'70's. The thing just fell apart, with the car striking a bridge girder. After a quick assessment of the Truck Problem, they were all scrapped.

And yes, the center pins were very loose and the trucks did shift back and forth as well as laterally, causing their impressive riding characteristics. It was the excessive center pin clearance and wear that lead to the truck's destruction in Woodside. Info: LI Tool

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P54 "Ping Pong" Coach diagram  Courtesy: Art Single
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LIRR #105 Jamaica c.1945 (Ziel-Boland)

 

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LIRR #46 Ronkonkoma c.1949 (Ziel-Boland)
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LIRR #7037 Archive: Mike Boland
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LIRR #105 2 axle truck zoom Jamaica c.1945 (Ziel-Boland)
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LIRR #434 Morris Park 10/31/1948 (Harold-Boland)
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LIRR #7037 2 axle truck zoom
Archive: Mike Boland
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LIRR  #1 Oyster Bay in "Tichy scheme" 07/22/1956 George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive  


Car Weight: 74,000 lbs.

 

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LIRR #1 Ronkonkoma in “Goodfellow” (charcoal) gray 02/1970 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller
See the crewmen in the car hanging out ready to either dead head into Jamaica or ride into the station and start work?
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LIRR #10 Ronkonkoma 09/1965
Dave Keller archive

   

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LIRR  #1 Oyster Bay in "Goodfellow" c.1965 
Archive: Mike Boland 
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LIRR #7014 Oyster Bay  Banner: “Going our way Bargain fares to New York Saturday and Sunday” 3/18/1961 (Votava-Boland)
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LIRR #6 Rebuilt later as #7006 Oyster Bay c.1958 (Votava-Boland)
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LIRR #7045 Richmond Hill c.1965 (LIRR-Boland)
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P54D #7138 Interior (Raynor-Boland)
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P54 ping pong interior c.1940 (Ziel-Boland)

P-54's had toilets that emptied directly onto the tracks ("Passenger will refrain from flushing toilets in the station"). The floors were black and gay checked pattern tiles. For a long time, the windows still could be opened - if you could get the catch to push downward. They had a smell all their own, and yes, you could flop the seats over. They were green vinyl. You could stand on the rear platform, separated from your certain fate by a few chains. Info: Richard Glueck

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LIRR #33 Ronkonkoma 09/1971
Dave Keller archive

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LIRR #38 Photo: Jersey City NJ - 01/73 - Karl Geffchen

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LIRR #7111 LI City 02/1970
Dave Keller archive

“M” designating the unit to be a “motor” or powered control cab and the “P” meaning “passenger”, while the “54” was the length of the car, bulkhead to bulkhead. As an aside, an MU baggage car was an “MPB54” because it was powered, it carried passengers AND it carried baggage. However, the electrics were MP54  or T54 units (“T” meaning trailer; non-powered).  And some of the OLDER, original purchase MP54 units had clerestory roofs and not the famous arched roofs.   Information: Dave Keller

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Ping Pong P-54 #7433 from The Oyster Bay RR Museum: Press Release 12/8/08

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According to Ed Kohler, Jr.'s LIRR steel car rosters (2), #7433 has an interesting history!

1.  Built by American Car and Foundry between May and June, 1923 as a class P54E steam car.
2.  Converted to an MU trailer between March and May, 1925, with no change in car # but a change in class to T54B
3.  Modernized in March, 1958 and converted BACK to a steam car, renumbered #7433 and re-classed P54D

And . . . as the #433 was converted to MU service in 1925, and G5s #35 was built in 1928 and retired in 1955, and #433 was converted BACK to a steam car in 1958, it's "bittersweet" that this specific car will soon be in the possession of the OBRM with plans to run #35, but it NEVER RAN behind #35 in its lifetime of service on the LIRR!  Info: Dave Keller

Ping-pong-interior_1959_RonZiel.jpeg (87001 bytes)To the average commuter on the LIRR during the middle of the twentieth century there is probably nothing that symbolized their hours spent riding the rails more than the inside of a Ping-Pong coach. The P-54 coach as it was classified was designed as a lightweight coach to replace the wooden fleet. The light weight and truck design also resulted in the rough ride that earned the cars their nickname. An interesting feature of the cars is that they were made to be converted from steam hauled to electric with relative ease. They served the LIRR faithfully for an impressive 60 years!

When the last were retired in 1974 many found homes on tourist railroads. Subsequently, none were saved by any preservation group on Long Island, leaving a major gap in telling of the story of the LIRR. In the recent past a few opportunities have come up to rectify this. Such opportunities included the car on the Long Island Expressway and the batch of cars in Boonton, NJ. Unfortunately the cars that were available had been gutted or significantly altered and all suffered badly from corrosion thus making their salvage and restoration cost prohibitive.

Recently the Knox & Kane tourist railroad in western Pennsylvania closed its doors for good and sold off its equipment. A scrap metal dealer bought a good portion of the rolling stock, including three Pings. Thanks to our friends from Island Rail LLC we were put in contact with the scrapper and arrangements were made to inspect the cars. For cars that are notorious for rotting out, these are remarkably solid, a testament to the care and maintenance given by the Knox and Kane. One car in particular, P-54 #7433, is in remarkably good shape and still retains its original seat frames and classic round windows. 

While we are very picky when it comes to adding rolling stock to our collection, this car was simply too good to pass up and the odds of finding another car in as good of shape are very slim. After an inspection trip by the OBRM we have purchased it for inclusion into the museum. This car is a very important acquisition and in reality, we had planned for such an acquisition in our long range plans in the hopes that such an opportunity might arise. The cost of purchasing, transporting and restoring the coach are considerable but we feel that the collection would not be complete without it. As it stands now the car should be delivered to Oyster Bay in March/April of 2009. 

Naturally, we are seeking donations toward this cause. For all those impassioned lovers of the ping-pong and those wishing to ensure the continued preservation of the LIRR's rich history, here is your chance to make a difference. Please consider sending a tax-deductible donation to us and mark your check's memo box "PING PONG". Donations may be sent to: OBRM, P O Box 335, Oyster Bay, New York 11771.

We want to give big thanks to Island Rail LLC for all of their support and for being a corporate sponsor of the project. We will keep you updated as things come together. Meanwhile, feel free to forward your questions to us at LIRR35@aol.com Oyster Bay RR Museum

 

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LIRR MP54C "Ping Pong" diagram Archive: Richard Makse


Farewell to the Ping-Pong -  5/11/1974  Archive: Tim Darnell
Note: This trip never materialized.