LIRR Tenders

LIRR #39 G5s with tender lettering "LONG ISLAND" in Penn Roman style gold lettering at Oyster Bay  Archive: Art Huneke 

LIRR TENDERS FOR CLASS G5s LOCOMOTIVES
(Data and Photos Courtesy of Ron Zinn)

The next five G5s' 24-28 delivered in 1925, came with these tenders, class 70P82a. These tenders remained in service with various G5's throughout most of the steam era on Long Island.

Note: Futura lettering style used briefly on locomotive tenders in 1940-41 in this photo left. Research: Dave Keller
  
LIRR tender Class: 70.P.82a behind  G5s #25 at Oyster Bay 1940 with Penn Roman style lettering. (T. Sommer-Keller)  Research: Dave Kelller  

The next ten G5s' 29-38 delivered in 1928, came with these tenders, class 110P82a.  These tenders were specifically designed by William Kiesel of the Pennsy for the Long Island G5's.  They were designed for hand firing and no Pennsy G5's ever had them. 

In addition, four of these tenders had been built by Baldwin Locomotive Works to Kiesel's drawings in 1926 for the Long Island Rail Road.  The only difference between those four and the ten 1928 tenders was the number of internal braces. 

Those four tenders replaced the four 70P82 tenders delivered in 1924 with the first four G5's.  The 70P82 tenders were then coupled to camelbacks. Info: Ron Zinn

Note: This would explain why the Sunrise Special images all showed G5s #21 pulling this type tender c. 1927, as #21 was one of the first four G5's delivered in 1924. Info: Dave Keller

Pin striping was removed by 1932 and the lettering is spaced farther apart (applied 1942) than when originally delivered. Photo is c.1946  Research: Dave Keller

The last twelve G5s' 39-50, delivered in 1929-30, came with these tenders, also class 110P82a.  You can see the difference between these and the previous 110P82a tenders.  Notice the line of rivets near the top below the equipment trust plate and the longer collar at the top of the coal space.  This is because these twelve tenders were originally designed for Pennsy M1 mountain type engines. 

In 1929 the Pennsy had these tenders converted and sold them to the Long Island for use on the final twelve G5's.  The conversion involved removing the inner sloped sides of the coal space.  These were originally sloped because these tenders were built for stoker firing, hence the line of rivets at the top.  The coal space was shortened, a 45 degree slope sheet put in and the deck height was raised to match the G5 firing deck. 

The Pennsy had started building long distance tenders for the M1's, making these tenders available for the Long Island.

LIRR G5s #39 - Tender Class 110P82a #46 Builder Plate -  Carriage House, Stony Brook
c. 1966  Photos/Archive: Richard Glueck

LIRR TENDERS FOR CLASS H10s LOCOMOTIVES
(Data and Photos Courtesy of Ron Zinn)

When the H-10's arrived on Long Island in 1928-29, they came from PRR Lines West.  Some of them were equipped with these tenders which were set up for hand firing.  This particular tender had a classification plate which indicated that it was class 80P79. Some Pennsy Lines West K3 passenger engines were equipped with this type of tender which probably accounts for the 80P79 passenger tender classification.

Some of the H-10's were equipped with these tenders which were also a Lines West design. I'm not sure, but these tenders may have been class 70F66e. These were also set up for hand firing.

When the Long Island H-10's were equipped with stokers in 1945-46, they received these tenders which were class 80F81a.  As you can see this tender has a brakeman's doghouse.

The first H-10 to be stokered may have been the 105 in June of 1945.  The 113 was still hand fired as late as 1947.  None of these tenders had brakeman's doghouses when they first appeared on the LIRR.  This photo dates from 1949 so I would say that these doghouses, as they were called, were added during the late 1940's.  I can't say which engines had them because tenders were always being switched around.  Photographic evidence would seem to indicate that most, if not all of these tenders received brakeman's doghouses.  Stokering had nothing to do with the addition of the "doghouses."  Apparently it was decided that the brakeman's perch was a beneficial addition.

LIRR Tender Class 110.P.82a behind G5s locomotive at Oyster Bay
1940 (T. Sommer-Keller)

LIRR G5s #30 tender with engine wipers at Morris Park Shops
10/1942 Archive: Ron Zinn

G5s #21 tender taking on water at Ronkonkoma 8/1947
Archive: Dave Keller

G5s #21 tender Class 110.P.82A builder plate 4/1987
Photo/Archive: William Mangahas
 

G5s #34 Morris Park Shops c.1935 Footboards on passenger tender Archive: Ron Zinn

G5s LIRR #39 tender taking on water Ronkonkoma 6/05/1955 
Archive: Dave Keller

Note: Female engine wipers at Morris Park Shops having some fun with the hostler, Jim Calisto, of G5s #30 as they head out to their work assignments.  These women temporarily replaced the men who were drafted into the military for wartime service. Their job was to wipe off the oil and grease from the locomotives that came into the shops. 

The woman in the front left with the shiny buttons up her front is definitely NOT a trainman or conductor. She's Rose Penna who was 20 years old at the time. The idea that women were working in what were traditionally men's jobs was considered newsworthy back then. Pictures of female engine wipers on the LIRR appeared in various newspapers and magazines. Rose Penna appeared in many of these photos, some close-ups in which she was identified in the captions.

She was the one who always wore some sort of cap and a jacket. The LIRR started hiring women as engine wipers in September 1942. The women in this photo were among the first to be hired. The LIRR did hire Female trainmen but probably starting in 1943. According to Ron Ziel they were called "wheels". Info: Ron Zinn

LIRR Tender No. 107, Class 80.P.81 on H10s locomotive #105 per tender plate - 9/06/37 - Close-up view of image at left. ( T. Sommer photo - Dave Keller archive)

Class 80.P.81 LIRR passenger  tender
Water gallon capacity: 81,000 coal lbs. capy: 34350 
Weight empty: 76700 weight loaded: 178550