Delivered to the NCPD Police Academy located at
the east end of the Nassau Community College campus Friday, June 14,
2024 at approximately 11 am. Delivered by crane and escorted by the NCPD
and the MTA.
To be used by BSO (NCPD Bureau of Special Operations) and ES training,
as well as familiarizing Academy recruits for when they're out on patrol
post-academy and if they arrive at a job before the MTA PD.
BSO is a large county-wide plainclothes unit used for various anti-crime
problems and, unlike in New York City, they are also the SWAT team.
LIRR "Victory Special" 1918
Photographs of the Long Island
Railroad "Victory Special" and exhibition car interior, organized by the
women of the Long Island Food Reserve Battalion during World War I.
The New York Times, June 28, 1918 - George Grantham Bain Collection
(Library of Congress)
Peconic County Miniature Railroad - Moore’s Woods,
GREENPORT
The Peconic County Miniature Railroad was one of
Greenport's hidden gems for 27 years. Until he turned 80, Frank Field, a
retired railroad employee, operated the train on a mile of track he laid
by hand in his 2-acre backyard. The track traveled through woods, past
miniature buildings, signals, lights, and its own Webb Street Station
depot. The miniature railroad operated from 1985-2012 when it closed to
the public. The 10-minute ride on summer Sunday afternoons and holidays
was free with donations going to charity. This was one of our family's
very favorite destinations over the years, one where we especially loved
to bring visiting children and shared many happy memories.
Info/Article/Photos: Carolyn Gillespie Markowitz
Peconic
County Miniature
RAIL ROAD
Serving Eastern Long Island
for 23 YEARS from 1985-2008
Final Cry of "All Aboard" - The Suffolk Times 9/06/2012
Engineer Frank Field
Approaching Webb Street Station
Peconic County Miniature Railroad Webb Street Station
Peconic County Miniature Railroad - Moore's Woods
Peconic County Miniature Railroad Engine House
Greenport Express new Engine House
The Greenport Express, essentially
the return of the Peconic County Miniature Railroad to Moore's Woods in
Greenport is in progress.
The passenger cars, a locomotive,
and track from the Peconic County Miniature Railroad were purchased from
the late Frank Field and the ongoing venture represents the combined
efforts of the Village of Greenport and the Rotary Club of Greenport.
Photos/Archive: Joseph Hofer -
6/02/2024
Newsday - Back On Track
Greenport miniature train ride - 7/01/2024
mu
CONNECTIONS
MP54A1 MU left end
MP54A1 MU right end
MP54A1 #1149 at the NY State Fairgrounds, Syracuse 9/2023
Photo/Archive: Joe Vila
MU connection 4-pin
MU connection 10-pin
MU connection 12-pin
MP54A1c MP54A1c #4153 numbered MU connections
Trolley Museum, Warehouse Point, CT 5/06/1979
Photo/Archive: William Mangahas
The "four point (pin) jumper"
carried 650 volt DC current from the 3rd rail shoe/s throughout the
train. If a train gapped or lost all its shoes, an external hand-held
jumper would be plugged into a four point receptacle and held against
the third rail. Close your eyes, look away!
#1/2 and #3/5 are “looped/in a cable holder”. 1 and 3 are male plug in
connectors while 2 and 5 are the removable ends which are connected to
the appropriate socket on the car they couple to. The high voltage
traction buses, as they’re referred to, are "looped" so the open end is
in a safety receptacle to keep it grounded. All 4 point jumpers
are equipped with rubber heads. All receptacles are the locking type.
(LIRR info)
#4 27 pin connector used for a communications trainline
#6 12 pin LV jumper???
Bradford Lee Gilbert
Bradford Lee Gilbert was an
architect who designed the 1898 renovation of Grand Central Station,
which lasted until 1910 when it was demolished to make room for the
construction of the present Grand Central Terminal which opened on
February 2, 1913. Gilbert designed, on Long Island:
1886 - The South Side Sportsmen’s Club of Long Island, by
expanding Snedecor’s Inn building. It is now located on the
grounds of the Connetquot River State Park Preserve.
1902 – Oyster Bay Station renovation, home train station for
President Theodore Roosevelt. The building is presently home to
the Oyster Bay Railroad Museum.
1902 – Southampton Station – active Long Island Rail Road
passenger station.
1903 – Bayport Station building, opened on August 10, 1903
demolished in May 1964.
Bradford Lee Gilbert seated at desk. The photo of Gilbert
taken from a distance, whereupon his face is discernible.
Archive: Dave Morrison
Bradford L. Gilbert - Friends of Connetquot NY State Park Summer 2024 news magazine
Bradford Lee Gilbert pencil sketch
Archive: Columbia University
Sam Stewart, College of
Charleston, provided the elusive and long-sought
photograph of Bradford Lee Gilbert (right).
This photograph is in “THE
EXPOSITION” magazine, Vol. 1, No. 5, April 1901 promoting the South
Carolina Inter-State and West Indian Exposition, 1901-1902.
Bradford Lee Gilbert - Architect-in-Chief
Archive: College of Charleston 1901
1913
Waging Caterpillar Warfare
History: Photos of Workers in
1913 Waging Caterpillar Warfare on the LIRR By
Lon CohenPublished: October 27, 2023 -
LONGISLAND.com
In 1913, as the world was on the
brink of a global conflict and technological advancements were rapidly
changing the face of society, an inconspicuous yet vital battle was
being waged on the outskirts of Montauk. It was a war fought not with
guns and soldiers but with chemicals and determination – a battle
against a tiny yet destructive enemy: caterpillars. Captured in a
historic gelatin silver print by the renowned photographer Hal B.
Fullerton, the image documents the valiant efforts of workers as they
engaged in "Caterpillar Warfare" to protect the vital infrastructure of
the Long Island Rail Road.
The Battle Against Caterpillars
During the early 20th century, as railroads played
a crucial role in the transportation and development of the United
States, they faced a unique and unexpected adversary – caterpillars.
These voracious insects posed a severe threat to the railroad
infrastructure by voraciously feeding on the vegetation surrounding the
tracks. Left unchecked, their feeding habits could undermine the safety
and efficiency of the rail network.
The image captured by Hal B. Fullerton in 1913 offers a fascinating
glimpse into the efforts made to combat this threat. In the black and
white photograph, we see a group of dedicated workers posed alongside
the railroad tracks. They stand armed with spraying equipment, ready to
wage war against the caterpillars. The photograph documents a pivotal
moment in history when technology and human intervention combined to
protect a vital transportation system.
The Significance of Insecticides
In the early 20th century, the use of insecticides
was a novel and innovative approach to pest control. As seen in the
photograph, the workers appear to be in the process of applying
chemicals to the tracks' surroundings. This method of controlling
caterpillar populations helped prevent damage to the tracks, preserving
the integrity of the Long Island Rail Road.
This image serves as a testament to the ingenuity
of the era, showcasing the determination of individuals to protect their
infrastructure. While insecticides have evolved considerably since 1913,
this photograph is a valuable reminder of the challenges faced and
overcome in the past.
"Caterpillar Warfare" is a captivating image that
offers a unique perspective on the challenges faced by early
20th-century railroad workers. It highlights their innovative approach
to dealing with caterpillar infestations and preserving the integrity of
the Long Island Rail Road. Today, as we reflect on the history of
transportation and pest control, this photograph serves as a valuable
reminder of the dedication and ingenuity that went into safeguarding
critical infrastructure during a time of rapid societal change.
LIRR
TRAIN NUMBERS
A Guide to LIRR Train Numbers:
Updated October
2023:
This piece originally published in 2013 has been updated to account for
the new train numbers following the implementation of the
LIRR's new service
plan for East Side Access.
Every
train that operates at any point on the railroad is assigned a train
number. For the most part, that train number is printed at the bottom of
every column in the PDF timetables. While the LIRR doesn't frequently
use its train numbers in the public sense (in the form of announcements
or alerts), each train still retains a number for use by the railroad
and others who wish to use them.
The LIRR operates hundreds of trains per day and each one has a number.
They don't senselessly assign numbers to each train starting with 1 and
ending a couple hundred numbers later, rather the train numbering
follows a system, one that has multiple parts which makes the train
numbers easier to understand.
LIRR train numbers are referenced at the bottom of
the PDF timetables (and also in TrainTime)
Most train numbers are either three or four digits long and consist of
multiple components. The first component, is the "series." Each branch
is assigned a block of numbers for their trains and all of the branch's
trains fall within that block. The blocks of numbers were once assigned
only depending on where a train originates/terminates, but since the
introduction of service to NY-Grand Central, some have their train
numbers split, with trains to NY-Penn Station and trains to NY-Grand
Central using different number series (which makes them easier to tell
apart). For example, a train that operates between Huntington and
NY-Penn Station has a 15xx number while a train that terminates at
Hicksville would have a 25xx number. The full table of train numbers are
below:
Weekend numbers are formed by adding 6000 to the
weekday train numbers, and are assigned the same way. Scheduled
non-revenue train numbers are formed by adding 3000 to the weekday
train numbers (weekday and weekend equipment trains use the same
numbering system, though no duplication is allowed—weekend equipment
trains typically start at xx80 to avoid confusion). Shop train
numbers are alphanumeric and don't conform to a strict numbering
scheme, though they typically indicate the origin and destination, and
the typical departure time, e.g. BJ1020 typically departs Brooklyn for
Jamaica around 10:20p, though they do not have a set schedule. Since
the start of East Side Access, there seem to be a lot fewer of these,
as more trains are numbered in the 9000 series.
Even numbered trains travel eastbound, odd
numbered trains travel westbound.
Train numbers are generally assigned sequentially, though a number of
exceptions exist already just a few weeks/months into the new service
plan as
LIRR has scrambled to tweak train schedules in
response to complaints, shuffling
trains among different city terminals and adding/eliminating whole
trains. When this happens, typically gaps have been left, or new
trains will be stuck in, typically numbered high in the series (e.g.
799, 2099, 2094, etc.). This is done to avoid disrupting the existing
numbering of trains people might already be familiar with—though there
have been some cases (e.g. on the South Shore) where LIRR has
renumbered dozens of trains to address gaps in the sequence. Numbers
for special trains, like holiday eve extras, or summer seasonal
trains, are generally numbered in order with the other trains, and
gaps in numbering exist when they are not running. Other special
occasion trains (like extra trains run on special holidays,
Thanksgiving, New Year's, etc. are typically assigned separate numbers
high in the series, e.g. 8792, 8796, 6192, etc.)
Train numbers generally jump forward around noon. Most series will
start numbering at the midpoint (i.e. 350, 450, 550, etc.). This is
not observed on the Montauk Branch where trains are numbered
sequentially all day and by terminal instead. It is also generally
not observed with equipment trains...weekday equipment trains are
numbered in the base series, with weekend equipment train numbers
assigned beginning at 80 (e.g. 7480, 5781, etc.).
On Montauk Branch, the 0000 series trains are further split up
depending on where they terminate. Trains that go east of Speonk to
Montauk fall into the first portion of the 27xx series while trains
that terminate at Speonk fall into the middle part and trains that
begin or end their runs at Patchogue another. The exception that
previously existed for the Cannonball has been removed and that
train is now properly numbered in sequence as train 16. The South
Fork Commuter Connection trains that do not operate to/from western
terminals are numbered in the 90-99 range.
With the start of the new East Side Access
schedules, the LIRR is treating the equipment trains that run to/from
Hillside Yard and the new Midday Yard that was built for East Side
Access differently. These trains are now numbered 9000-90999 for runs
to/from Hillside, and 9100-9299 for runs to/from the new Midday
Storage Yard. These are all equipment trains and do not carry
passengers (and don't have separate weekday/weekend series numbers).
Presently, Midday Storage Yard is only used by trains to/from NY-Grand
Central, though there are plans to make connections for trains to/from
NY-Penn Station to double back to the yard.
Extra trains for special events and the like are typically numbered
beginning at 9300, however there is no strict rhyme or reason for how
these trains are numbered.
** - West of Jamaica trains count towards the
following branches for OTP purposes:
Jamaica to/from NY-Penn Station: West
of Babylon Branch
APRIL
2010: This is the current numbering
sequence that was placed into effect in more
recent years as posted via the internet.
Train
numbering from the 1980's, and earlier, had some different designations;
i.e. Montauk and Speonk runs had one and two-digit train numbers, as well
as
Babylon
trains running along the electrified south shore Montauk
branch.
The 4-digit runs (5000, 6000, 7000, etc.) didn’t exist except for the
Saturday, Sunday and Holiday trains which had their regular designation
with the prefix of “4” added. (ex: Greenport Train #204
(east) and #211 (west) would be numbered #4204 and #4211, respectively.)
Also, 200-numbered trains were for the ENTIRE
Ronkonkoma
/Greenport branch, ... not just the Scoots east of
Ronkonkoma
as this schedule shows as the assigned numbers on today’s railroad.
The current listing really
breaks down trains into much more detail, i.e. trains to Hicksville
or trains to
Huntington
, etc. Years back, trains to
Hicksville usually went straight on to Huntington, if electric or to Port
Jeff if diesel, or went on to Ronkonkoma or along the Central branch to
Babylon and points east, also for diesel and therefore were assigned the
train number of the branch upon which they terminated (i.e. 600 = Port
Jeff or 200 = Ronkonkoma/Greenport)
When the Hicksville-Ronkonkoma
push-pull diesel shuttle ran prior to electrification out to
Ronkonkoma
, the electric trains out to Hicksville went on to Huntington and
passengers had to change at Hicksville for the push-pull diesel shuttle to
Ronkonkoma
. Research/Info: Dave Keller
00-100 Trains out of Babylon
200 Scoots east of
Ronkonkoma
300 Great Neck/Little Neck
400
Port Washington
500
Oyster Bay
600 Port
Jefferson
700
Hempstead
800
Long Beach
900
West Hempstead
1000 Trains that start making stops Amityville-Merrick
1100 Freeport
1200
Hicksville
1300 Jamaica-Penn
1400 Jamaica-Atlantic Terminal
1500
East Williston
1600 Huntington/Cold Spring Harbor
1700 Huntington
2000 Ronkonkoma
2100 Ronkonkoma Extra trains during the holidays
2300 Farmingdale/Bethpage
2700 Montauk Branch diesel trains (Montauk/Speonk/Patchogue)
2800 Far Rockaway
6000 Weekend
Babylon
6100 Weekend
Babylon
6200 Weekend Greenport Scoots
6400 Weekend Port
Washington
6500 Weekend
Oyster Bay
6600
Weekend
Port
Jefferson
6700 Weekend
Hempstead
6800 Weekend
Long Beach
6900 Weekend
West Hempstead
7600 Weekend
Huntington
7700 Weekend
Huntington
8000 Weekend
Ronkonkoma
8700 Weekend Montauk Branch Diesel
Montauk branch: trains that terminate/originate at Speonk are 273, and
Patchogue trains are 276
1900 Belmont Park
2400 Westbury
7100 Weekend Freeport
7400 Weekend Jamaica-Atlantic Terminal
7900 Weekend Belmont Park
8800 Weekend Far Rockaway
These are listed in the electronic schedules the MTA makes available to
software developers, but might just be codes used to differentiate
weekly holiday trains with more or less stops than their non-holiday
counterparts:
3400 Montauk
3800 Port Washington
3900 Huntington
4000 Belmont Park (the 19xx trains are in the developer schedules as
4xxx trains)
PRR
K4s
#5406 HEADLIGHT
K4s #5406 Cold Spring Harbor 3/16/1947
Archive: Dave Keller
PRR K4s #5406 pulling Montauk train #27 WB on the express track thru
Floral Park - 9/15/1948
(George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive)
K4s #5406 Headlight donated to the OBRM's collection.
An on display artifact to illustrate the LIRR heritage to the PRR.
Donation/Info/Photos/Archive: Richard Glueck
PRR K4s locomotives leased to the LIRR were first
used on the Montauk Branch on June, 1931. By October, 1951,
all PRR-leased steam K4s were gone from the LIRR. Research: Dave
Keller
Pennsylvania Railroad K4s 5406 - Unique Among Equals Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical
Society - The Keystone Volume 54 Number 1 Spring 2021
Many historically significant locomotives
hauled commuters on the Long island Rail Road during the Pennsy era.
G5s 5741, E6s 460, and K4s 3750 (now in the collection of the Railroad
Museum of Pennsylvania) are three. Other notables rode on LIRR rails but
never earned a cent in service—S1 6100, which appeared at the 1939
World's Fair, being the most celebrated.
Long Island's ownership was much like
"colonization" for the parent road. The commuter line fed thousands of
riders into Penn Station each morning, and connected Island products
directly into PRR's diverse freight system. The Long Island's fleet of
Camelbacks were augmented with D16sb Americans, then phased out and
replaced with new G5s ten-wheelers and surplus, H-10s Consolidations.
Pennsy also leased express passenger power to the LIRR, and this is
where the curious story of K4s 5406 begins.
The K4s-class Pacifics hauled the
heaviest of LIRR trains, which sometimes included a baggage car, an RPO,
and a dozen P70 coaches. The run from Jamaica to the Hamptons and
Montauk required reliable express power. Elsewhere, the K4s’s held down
evening commuter assignments on the more heavily populated Port
Jefferson branch, particularly east of Syosset, where double tracks
converged at S Cabin and the steep single-track grade leading to Cold
Spring Harbor station began. At the end of their run, the locomotives
were wyed at "Port Jeff" and serviced prior to the return trip.
Long
Island is glacial till in nature, much of it sandy particulates, well
distributed for use in concrete. It was a natural resource for the
railroad to excavate from trackside east of Syosset while constructing
Jamaica station, in 1912. Many years later--on September 14, 1944—a
category 3 hurricane hit the East Coast and tore across Long Island,
bringing heavy rain and downing trees. A speed restriction of 15 mph
was ordered for trains coming down the hill from Port Jeff by this
author's father, who was a civil engineer in the track department.
However, another official, infuriated by the headaches this caused the
movement bureau, pulled the slow order. Sometime after 10 p.m., train
647, led by locomotive 5406, reached the area next to the excavation
patch east of Syosset. The saturated sand failed to hold the ties and
rails in place, and in the ensuing derailment, the heavy Pacific, its
tender, and the train’s lead coaches slid off, ending up buried in the
glacial mixture. The 5406 lost its hen-coop pilot and headlight, and
snapped its keystone plate in half. Don Boslet, who lived nearby,
grabbed his camera and photographed the wreck in detail. Sadly, the
original negatives were later destroyed in a house fire, but not before
Ron Ziel made prints for Steel Rails to the Sunrise, a history of
the LIRR he wrote with George Foster.
Following the derailment, locomotive
5406 was sent to Altoona for heavy repairs. It returned to the LIRR
with a high headlight and a traditional bar pilot. One major calamity
would be more than enough for most locomotives, but the 5406 was not so
lucky. Fate intervened again in 1947, with another calamitous result.
On February 16, 1947, eastbound weekend
train 4612, pulled by K4s locomotive 5406 approached Kings Park
station. A siding serving Kings Park State Hospital tied into the Port
Jefferson main, and a hospital train sat in wait for the arrival of the
scheduled train. The switch for the hospital line had been
inadvertently left open. The 5406 was moving at 40 mph when the
engineer spotted the switch target, but by then the eleven-car train
couldn't brake in time. Once again, the big Pacific bit into the
roadbed, traveling a distance of 250 feet before coming to a stop,
twisting rails and ending up almost directly under a huge community
water tower. Nobody was killed, but the track required complete
rebuilding, as did the K4s. (However, the hospital train departed on
time.)
Once
again, the K4s was off to Altoona for heavy repairs, returning with the
full PRR "beauty treatment," which this time included a solid pilot and
a main driver with web-spoked casting, an example of which can be seen
on sister 3750, at the RRMPA.
Long Island Rail Road historian Ron Zinn
is certain that locomotive 5406 was on Long Island in 1935. She was
also there in 1936. She was on the LIRR during 1940, then appears to be
off from 1941 until 1944. She shows up once more as of April 1, 1944,
and appears to remain through 1945. MP 229 assignment sheets show her
on the LIRR in 1947 and 1948. A 229 from 1949 does not show the 5406,
but she is back in 1950, and it looks like she remained on the LIRR
until the last three K4s’s went back to the Pennsy in November 1951.
While on the Long Island Rail Road, the
5406 received automatic speed control. It continued service until the Pennsy began to retrieve its leased locomotives. Fairbanks-Morse
C-Liners, heavy and favored by the parent road for Long Island's
commuter service, replaced the K4s’s. Long Island's "own K4s" was
reassigned to the New York and Long Branch. What had once been
commonplace was now drawing photographers who wished to savor the steam
era for as long as Pennsy allowed. Perhaps it was the 1947 shopping
after the Kings Park wreck that put 5406 in an elite club of PRR's
longest lived passenger locomotives. She ran among Reading 4-6-2s and a
handful of her sisters on the New Jersey shore until November 1957.
When her fires were finally dropped, the 5406 joined a line of cold
2-10-4s, and 2-8-0s in East Altoona, where she was stripped of her
"jewelry." The end came in February 1958, when she was sold for scrap.
It appears this particular locomotive
wore three styles of marker lights during its career, starting with the
classic four-legged markers, then switching to “tombstones,” and
finishing with the bullseye style. The Long Island Rail Road
distinctively "dolled up" their G5s fleet and leased PRR locomotives.
Smokeboxes were coated in a graphite/linseed oil mix. The doors and
radiating dogs were painted black. The distinctive red-and-gold
keystone number plate in the center improved the looks of any E6, G5, or
K4. The 5406 was no exception. Many PRR locomotive went to scrap
wearing their badge and number plates, 5406 did not. A private
collector on Long Island owns her keystone number plate, and her Baldwin
builder’s plates (59788) are probably gracing some other collections.
It was with no little excitement that I spotted
her modern headlight on the floor of the Boothbay Railway Village museum
in Maine back in the 1970s. I wrote several letters to the museum,
asking if the headlight might be for sale, but I never received a
response. This was not unexpected, as much of the museum display
was the personal collection of the founder. Fast-forward to 2019,
when the founder’s and my paths crossed. I inquired again,
relating the locomotive’s connection to my father, and he said he'd ask
the museum director for his opinion. In January 2020, Boothbay's
director, Steve Markowitz, asked me if I had anything distinctly from a
Maine railroad that I could trade for the headlight. I owned the
semaphore signal that protected the Grand Trunk swing bridge in
Portland. An exchange agreement was drawn up, and in June I drove
to Boothbay and picked up the treasured artifact.
In September of
2023, I had a short vacation planned down to visit friends and visit the
East Broad Top RR. As I was scheduled for some orthopedic surgery by
the end of the year, combined with the headlight weighing about 200
pounds, and the fact I rarely visit my old haunts on Long Island, it
seemed like a good chance to perform "outreach". I hate to read about
railroad collections spread out by families on front lawns after the
"old man" kicks in, and while I'm nowhere ready to cash in my chips,
sometimes the "great croupier in the sky" makes that choice for you. By
choice, not chance, I contacted the Oyster Bay Rail Road Museum and
negotiated my donating the headlight to their permanent collection.
I feel quite good about LIRR's own K4s
being back near the rails she claimed for most of her service life, at
least in spirit. Where she took place in two major historic events,
both of which touched my father's career, and where she held down the
most demanding of schedules a K4s was called upon. Richard
D. Glueck, 2023 Winterport, Maine
lirr
NEWSLETTERS
LIRR Information Bulletin - plain covers - Nov 8,
1920 to Dec 3, 1923
LIRR Information Bulletin - color/heavier weight covers - Feb 20, 1924
to Nov/Dec 1931
Long Island Railroader - newspaper format - July 1943 to December 1949
Long Island Railroader - magazines with color covers - January 1950 to
December 1955
Long Island Railroader - January 1956 to July/August 1969
LI Metro Lines - September 1969 to March/April 1976
Along The Track - July 1976 to Spring/Summer/Fall 2014
MTA News - November 1974 to May 1976
MTA "On The Move" October 1979 to October 1984
Research: Dave Morrison
LIRR Information Bulletin
Long Island Railroad Bulletin with plain cover
Vol.1-No.2 11/08/1920
Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
Long Island Railroad Bulletin with color/heavier weight covers
Vol. III-No.1 2/20/1924
Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
Long Island Railroader
Long Island Railroader "New Double-Deckers" 11/1948
Archive: Mike Boland
Long Island Railroader "New Double-Deckers" page 3
11/1948 Archive: Mike Boland
3-LI Railroader begins January 5, 1956 - bi-monthly (2/month) until
early 1969 - Ends with May/June; July/August 1969
4-LIRR Metro Lines begins September 1969 through 1976 -
Ends with January/February; March/April 1976
5-Along The Track: Begins July 1, 1976 bi-monthly (2/month) for six
months until end of 1976.
Monthly issue - January 1977 until November 1980 - standard copy size.
Medium Size - January 1981 until June/July 1986
Large Size issues begin October 1987 to May 1991
Medium Size Glossy Paper - September 1991 to May 2009
Big Copy - LIRR 175 Anniversary Edition April 24, 2009 and Spring/Summer
2010 (2 issues)
Standard Magazine type with color photos - only these 4 issues:
December 2010
Fall 2013 (Jamaica Station 100 Anniversary special issue)
Spring/Summer/Fall 2014
180th Anniversary Special Issue - April 24, 2014
6-MTA News - November 1974 to May 1976
7-MTA "On The Move" October 1979 to October 1984
Respectfully Submitted, Mike McEnaney
Note: RMLI collection current inventory as of August 2023
Long Island Railroader - Cold Spring Harbor First issue: January 1950
Long Island Railroader - Merry Christmas
Last Issue:
December 1955
Metro
Lines
Long Island Metro Lines "A new president
for the LIRR" Vol.1-No.1 9/1969 Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
Long Island Metro Lines "Big eye in the sky" 4/1971
Long Island Metro Lines "Let It Snow" Jan-Feb no.22, 1972
Along the Track
Along the Track - Little Neck washout 8/1984
Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
Along the Track - Little Neck washout - Page 2,
8/1984
Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
Along the Track - Little Neck washout - Page3,
8/1984
Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
MTA News
On The Move
These are two
"attempts" that the MTA made to comprise a publication that had news
from *ALL* of the MTA's agencies including the LIRR. In both instances
MTA budget cuts ended the production of both of these newsletter-type
publications - mentioned in the last issues of each. These two MTA
publications had nothing to do with the timelines of LIRR "Metro
Lines" or "Along the Track" during their years of issue.
Research: Mike McEnaney
MTA NEWS Vol.1-No.1 11/1974
Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
MTA On The Move - First issue October 1, 1979
Archive: RMLI Riverhead Museum
MOW Track cars ROW access
The former South 11th Street, view
W, crossing in New Hyde Park is unique as not only is the planking still
there, but both sides of the new iron fencing at that location are
fitted with sliding "mansion" style gates.
This location provides for MOW
track cars to access the ROW. Within the working limits will get a
brief block across the adjacent track(s) and put the track cars on the
railroad at those locations and then release the blocks on the track(s)
remaining in service. Opened and used under flag protection in extreme
emergencies or pre-arranged conditions when a movement can’t cross under
the LIRR, due to hazard or size restrictions, at New Hyde Park.
There are NO public grade crossing
between Divide and Jamaica. Anyone caught crossing on the one at
NHP is subject to a fine/civil penalty or death for their negligent
actions. Trains pass there at 80mph and in some cases on all 3
track at the same time or slightly separated, when you think it’s clear
you may pay with the ultimate fine. Joe Vila
History hidden in plain sight: water by Amy Kassak Bentley
Gate House at Cornell’s Pond, Valley Stream - View
S
c.1874 Photo: George H. Brainerd Archive: Brooklyn Museum
Valley Stream Pond (ex-Cornell’s Pond) - View S
2019 Photo/Archive: Amy Bentley
It is probable that this photo
(left) circa 1874, is the oldest image we have of Valley Stream.
The image was taken at Cornell’s
Pond, the original name of the Valley Stream Pond, located in modern-day
Arthur J. Hendrickson Park. The Cornells, Wrights and Fowlers owned
grist and saw mills along the eastern edge of the pond and the land and
streams north of it. The gristmills passed out of existence before the
Civil War, while the sawmills lasted a few years longer. Corona Avenue
was once named Mill Road.
By the early 1850s, Brooklyn
needed water. The city could not sink wells into the aquifer because it
contained grains and other solid matter. In 1862, the initial phase of
the Brooklyn Waterworks was completed. The waterworks, a system of
underground conduits (originally designed as open-air canals), brought
the Island’s water to Brooklyn via reservoirs, ponds and driven wells.
Cornell’s Pond, one of three in Valley Stream was tapped into service,
the others: Clearstream Pond (Arlington Park) and Watts Pond (Mill Pond)
completed the trio.
“Cornell’s is a large expanse of
water covering 80 acres, and is certainly the clearest and cleanest of
the six ponds visited,” wrote the Brooklyn Daily Eagle on Oct. 16, 1867.
“It has a bottom of beautiful white sand, and is perfectly free from any
impurities.”
George Bradford Brainerd
(1845-1887) was a Connecticut-born civil engineer, photographer, writer,
inventor and historian. He is best known for his photography of public
works projects throughout New York state. In the mid-1870s, Brainerd
traveled by horse-drawn wagon to Valley Stream to photograph the
waterworks. He used the collodion silver glass wet-plate process of
photography, a complicated technique that required the photographic
material to be coated, sensitized, exposed and developed within 15
minutes. Brainerd set up an outdoor darkroom (a tent) on site to develop
the negatives.
Brainerd took the photo from the east side of
the pond where the playground stands today—looking south toward Merrick
Road. The brick gatehouse protected the working gear of the sluice gate.
An unidentified man stands on a timber footbridge that connects to an
eight-foot embankment made of Connecticut granite.
“Mr. Pearsall Cornell, an intelligent miller
and farmer is living on the pond’s bank,” The Brooklyn Daily Union wrote
on Feb. 16, 1871. “This gentleman corroborated the generally expressed
opinion that the reservoirs were never so dry and so low before, and
that if Cornell Pond was a criterion to go by, the people of Brooklyn
had good cause to be alarmed for their water supply.”
By 1896, Brooklyn’s thirst outstripped Long
Island’s water and an alternate source was needed. In 1917, Brooklyn
started receiving water from the Catskill Aqueduct and Cornell’s Pond
was decommissioned. (Brooklyn eventually transitioned to the Delaware
Aqueduct.) In 1924, The Long Island State Park Commission, or LISPC
under the auspices of Robert Moses, began acquiring defunct waterworks.
Two years later, Valley Stream State Park opened to the public. The pond
was transformed into a chlorinated pool, complete with slides, diving
boards, floats, docks, and a sandy “beach.”
The influx of day-trippers visiting the park
became a source of grief for Valley Stream residents. The crowds,
traffic, garbage and noise put a huge strain on the local population and
village infrastructure. In 1948, the pond and the southern portion of
the park were shut down. In 1958, Valley Stream purchased the pond and
surrounding land from the LISPC for $103,000. (The northern section of
the park, north of Hendrickson Avenue, remains in the New York State
Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation.) In 1960, the
Valley Stream Pool opened for Village of Valley Stream residents only.
The park was renamed Arthur J. Hendrickson Park in honor of the former
mayor and philanthropist.
Brainerd’s image is a technological triumph.
What elevates it to art, however, is the subject: water. The photo is
visually and conceptually compelling, and historically relevant. The
export and exploit of Valley Stream’s natural resource changed the
area’s physical and cultural landscape, forever. Farms began to fail,
because there was not enough water to irrigate fields. The waterworks
sounded the death knell for an agrarian way of life. Folks who care
about the environment, history buffs, and those with an affectionate
connection to Valley Stream will find the current water situation
tragically ironic.
Brainerd’s 1,900 glass plate negatives are
archived at the Brooklyn Museum. Although his negatives were never
turned into prints during his lifetime, you can view many of them online
at
https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/collections
Originally posted
in the
LI Herald.com
BRE-LEYLAND RAILBUS
The
LIRR has always been looking for other options for the lightly
patronized Oyster Bay Branch. Here the BRE-Leyland Railbus demonstration
train is seen stopped at Locust Valley on Thursday, September 20th, 1984
waiting for the westbound regular train. The demonstration run had been
scheduled to go all the way to Oyster Bay, but due to time constraints
was forced to turn back here. Westbound train #555 led by power pack 619
with four cars and MP15AC 167, the typical consist that the BRE-Leyland
Railbus would in theory replace. LIRR 619 was built as Milwaukee Road
85-C in January 1954 and would later go on to the Seminole Gulf Railroad
as SGLR NPCU 501 after leaving the LIRR.
My friend Stan had given me the heads up that there was going to be a
special "train" on a demonstration run from Mineola to Oyster Bay. The
train was this BRE-Leyland Railbus seen eastbound pulling into Mineola
Station on Thursday, September 20th, 1984. The looks from the passengers
waiting for a westbound train are priceless.
Photos/Archive/Info: John Krattinger
LONG
ISLAND SUNRISE TRAIL BAND
The LIRR Sunrise Trail marching band is shown on
the Greenport dock as viewed from a docked steamboat. During the 1920s,
the LIRR launched several promotional campaigns to bring people to Long
Island for vacations and relocations. The band played at many public
functions as well as on trains and steamboats. It was disbanded in 1931
as a result of the Depression.
Photo: RMLI Info: Dave Morrison
Sunrise Trail Band aboard Steamer Shinnecock Summer, 1924 (Skinner-Keller)
1st MU train at Babylon - Sunrise Trail Band marching
Zoom view NE 5/21/1925 (Kelting-Keller)
Sunrise Trail Band at Northport Station opening on 8/24/1927 Northport Observer 8/19/1927
H. Edward Zitsmann - Long Island Sunrise Trail Band Leader
1929 (Skinner-Keller)
Beachcomber
Cannon Ball - Westbound Friday all parlor, first stop
Westhampton Parlor
1st Jamaica Cannonball at Easthampton 09/1962
Collection: Dave Keller
The Cannonball (1899 – present) which runs from Long Island City to
Montauk via Jamaica. The only currently named LIRR passenger train.
Originally run in two sections: one to Greenport; and the other to
Montauk; splitting from each other at Manorville along the Main Line.
Greenport section was discontinued in 1942. Train survived into the MTA
era and is currently operated on Friday evenings from May through
October as a twelve car train offering two all reserved parlor cars with
full bar service. Runs express between Jamaica and Westhampton Beach.East Ender - Eastbound Thurs & Fri mixed (parlor/coach) train,
leaving Jamaica around 5:00 p.m.
Ebb Tide - Westbound mixed parlor and coach, Sunday afternoon , before
The Sundowner. Ebb
Tide at Montauk -
Summer 1967 Photo/Archive: Edward Frye
Fisherman's Special - (1932–1973) which ran from Long Island City
to Canoe Place Station and Montauk via Jamaica. April through October
train with service terminating at Canoe Place station in April, and then
extended on to Montauk in May. Served Long Island fishing trade.
Hampton Express
Hampton Reserve - Eastbound Friday 4:06pm from Penn Station to Montauk.
Westbound Sundays at 6:37pm from Montauk to Penn. (2014-xxxx)
Montauk Light - Eastbound May 1989 timetable #16 leaves Hunterspoint
Point Ave. at 4:08pm, Jamaica at 4:25pm operating nonstop to WH arriving
at 5:39pm, and Montauk at 6:38pm
Partridge
Peconic Bay Express
Shelter Island Express - Long Island City to Greenport via Jamaica.
Friday only summer express train that connected to Shelter Island
ferries.
In the 1960's, The Shelter Island Express routinely ran with a single
parlor car in June, increasing to two cars in the high season of July
and August. After a 40 minute layover, enough time to cut off the engine
and turn it on the turntable, train #217 was created for what was
usually an express run to Jamaica. Here #217 awaits its departure from
Greenport with two pings and the parlor Quogue. 6/07/68 Archive: Richard
Makse
Shinnecock Express
Peconic Bay and Shinnecock Bay Express
(1926-1950) which ran from Long Island City to Greenport and Montauk via
Jamaica. Two Saturday only trains running express to Greenport and
Montauk respectively. Discontinued during World War II though revived
for a few seasons afterwards.
South Shore Express
Sundowner - Westbound Sunday evening
Sunrise Special
G5s #21 Sunrise Special eastbound Central Islip
c.1927 Archive: Dave Keller
Sunrise Special (1922–1942)
which ran from Pittsburgh to Montauk via Penn Station, New York. Joint
PRR and LIRR train that operated during the summer. Trains ran eastbound
on Fridays and westbound Mondays. During 1926 summer season trains were
run daily. After 1932 there was an additional eastbound trip on
Thursdays. Complete first class train from 1932 to 1937.
Wall Street Special - Westbound Monday morning, Montauk to Hunters Point
Avenue.
Weekender - Eastbound Friday evening
MAY 18, 1927 TIMETABLE NAMED TRAINS
Hampton Express - Montauk Special
Shelter Bay Express, Peconic Bay Express, Cannon
Ball
Greenport Express
Shinnecock Express
Montauk Special, Sunrise Special, Cannon Ball
New York Express, Hampton Express
Conrail reroutes over the LIRR Main
Passing HAROLD Tower
Main line at Forest Hills
M Cabin Dutch Kills
In February 1987 saw Conrail B23-7 #2802, #2816,
and U36B #2973 reroutes over the LIRR
Main Line and Lower Montauk due to derailments
along the Fremont
Secondary Fresh Pond to Oak Point. Photos/Archive: Fred Wilczewski
FRA INSPECTION CAR DOTX220 TRIP -
5/11/2023
FRA Track Geometry Car DOTX220 at St. Paul, MN 7/19/20007
Photo/Archive: Matt Petersen
Entered service in 2007 and operates in either
direction in towed mode. Equipped with track geometry
measurement systems to measure gage, alignment and track surface,
truck and car body forces in G's, and a differential global positional
system providing high accuracy GPS coordinates to each foot surveyed.
Source: Federal Railroad Administration, US DOT
FRA Inspection Car #DOTX220 derailment at Borden Ave., LI City View SW
5/11/2023 - Credit: CBS News
FRA test car #DOTX220 operated with two DE30ACs in
push-pull mode at Greenvale 5/15/2023 Photo/Archive: Jeff
Erlitz
The test car derailed in
Long Island City when in transit to Jamaica last Wednesday May 10,
2023.
DOTX220 was built new by Colorado Railcar in 2007. Jeff Erlitz
DAY ONE - Monday May 15, 2023
FRA test car DOTX220 use of optical non-contact laser at Greenvale
5/15/2023 Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
FRA #DOTX220 close-up of the panoramic windows
on the Observation end and lasers in use. 5/15/2023
Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
FRA Inspection Train #DOT2PJN is passing through
Nassau Boulevard Station, Garden City. 5/15/2023
Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
DAY TWO - Tuesday May 16, 2023
FRA Inspection Train #DOT2PJN at Greenlawn
View W 5/16/2023 Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
FRA Inspection Train #DOT2PJN at Northport Dutch Colonial Station
building View W 5/16/2023 Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
FRA Inspection Car #DOTX220 - Train #DOT2PJN crossing Little East Neck
Rd., Babylon waiting for the westbound move to Jamaica after coming
off the Central branch - 5/16/2023 Photo/Archive: Stephen Quigley
"Track Geometry" Car #DOTX220 roof camera array
FRA Inspection Car #DOTX220 at LI City
5/18/2023
DAY FOUR - Thursday May 18, 2023
The DOTX220 (Colorado Railcar, 2007) is sandwiched between DE30AC 403
and DE30AC 421. This trip was identified in TIMACS as “DOT2PWS"
Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
Now operating as “DOTXHAR” (Port Washington-Harold), the special
crosses Alley Creek, Douglaston 5/18/2023 Photo/Archive: Jeff
Erlitz
DAY FIVE - Friday May 19, 2023
West Islip FRA test train - DOTX220, DE30AC #403, #421 -
View W 5/19/2023 Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
West Islip Signal S384 - DE30AC #421,
#403, DOTX220 - View E 5/19/2023 Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
On its final inspection trip on LI rails,
DE30ACs 421 & 403 haul the DOTX 220 inspection car west past the pair
of position light signals east of Babylon. The 403 was
taken off the
east end
in Montauk and double-headed with 421 on the return trip, to allow
those riding the inspection car a view of the line. Thomas
Farmer
MUSEUM
MP54's
LIRR MP54 #4153 at the Connecticut Trolley
Museum, Warehouse Point, CT - 5/06/1979 - Photo/Archive: William
Mangahas
LIRR MP54 #4137 at Seashore
Trolley Museum Kennebunkport, ME 8/21/2017
Photo/Archive: William Mangahas
ARTHUR HUNEKE 70th
BIRTHDAY PARTY - DECEMBER 10th,
2006
Standing at rear (l. to r.): Sid Finkelstein; NYCR author Bob Sturm; LIRR photo collector Ron Zinn, former Oyster
Bay and Port Jeff Branch Manager and LIRR author Dave Morrison; LIRR
diesel author and publisher John Scala (the Weekend Chief); Transit
author Paul Matus; MTA Superintendent of Operation Planning and rail
photographer Jeff Erlitz; and LIRR rolling stock, facilities, and
modeling author Mike Boland. Standing behind Art Huneke (seated)
Subway maven Stan Fischler (l.) and Sam Berliner, III (r.).
Held December 10, 2006 at Gatsby’s in Islip. - Birthday: 12/11/1936 -
Photo courtesy: D. & A. Huneke
NEW YORK STATE FREEDOM TRAIN
The New York State Freedom Train, being pulled by LIRR G5s #27 at W.
Hempstead, NY . . . one of its visitation stops on January 17-18,
1950. The old wooden freight house in the team yard is visible at the
right,
as is the superstructure of the power grid. Info/Archive:
Dave Keller
The railroad used LIRR G5s #20 at Valley Stream,
NY here on January 22, 1950 with
its consist of NYC baggage car #8318, coaches #2116, #2117, $2120,
#2178,
and PRR combine #4933 PB70 passenger-baggage car. (Votava-Boland)
137
Amityville
January 3, 1950
138
Babylon
January 4, 1950
139
Bay Shore
January 5, 1950
140
Patchogue
January 6, 1950
141
Southampton
January 7, 1950
142
Greenport
January 8, 1950
143
Riverhead
January 9, 1950
144
Farmingdale
January 10, 1950
145
Huntington
January 11-12, 1950
146
Hicksville
January 13, 1950
147
Glen Cove
January 14, 1950
148
Oyster Bay
January 15, 1950
149
Roslyn
January 16, 1950
150
West Hempstead
January 17-18, 1950
151
Hewlett
January 19, 1950
152
Freeport
January 20-21, 1950
153
Valley Stream
January 22-23, 1950
154
Elmont
January 24-25, 1950
155
Far Rockaway
January 26-27, 1950
156
Jamaica
January 28-29, 1950
157
Flushing
January 30-31, 1950
The LIRR January, 1950 NY State Freedom Train LIRR Timeline
HIGH AND WIDE CLEARANCES
"High and Wide", or
out-of-dimension (OOD), cars exceed defined dimensions allowed
within a specific portion of the railroad. The AAR Official Equipment Register
defines specific dimensions to be classified Plate A, B or C, if I
recall. that the rail car wasn't high enough to arc to or strike the
wire. They also couldn't be too wide to sideswipe other cars or
buildings. Any exceptions would either be moved in the middle of the
night with no adjacent traffic, on another route or not at all.
Specific portions of the LIRR have height restrictions, for example
the Atlantic Branch west of Dunton under the subway bridge at Pond.
A move with an OOD car would be done very carefully and is often
associated with loads of large electric company parts, such as
transformers, generators, etc. Lading, which is how loads are loaded into a car such as a gondola, such as
railroad ties, etc., is another consideration. The loaded car must fit within the limits set by
the specific railroad the car is delivered to, as the employees are taught to
watch out for lading that has shifted out of the dimensional limits.
An example of lading that has shifted is when NASSAU Tower was struck
back in the 1920's. Bob Bender
Plate
markings indicate whether a car's extreme outside dimensions falls
within a standard cross-section - a useful thing to know when
restricted clearances are involved. Standard car cross-section
drawings, or plates, are designated Plates B, C, E, and F. If a car's
dimensions are entirely within Plate B (the smallest), no marking is
shown. For cars fitting within Plate C, E, or F, a square with the
appropriate marking is shown. A car whose dimensions exceed a given
plate will display a circle marked, to use a common example, EXCEEDS
PLATE C. Robert S. McGonigal May 1, 2006. This is a height
designation as Plate C indicates a car height of 15' 6 which is
standard for most boxcars, covered hoppers and all centerbeam
flatcars. Limited interchange service standard (will clear 95% of
total rail mileage) adopted 1963. Revised 1983, 1988, 1991.
Plate
B is the smallest, can run anywhere in North America, and does not
require clearance authorization. You will find that most of the Plate
B clearances are in the New York and New Jersey areas, and are due
mainly to the congested New York corridor.
Plate C can run on 95% of tracks
in North America, anything outside the Plate C dimensions will have to
be cleared for the route of movement to ensure that bridges, tunnels,
etc. do not cause problems with the loads. Mostly you will find
oversized loads requiring clearances to be moving on flat cars, but
there are instances where extremely large tank cars and hopper cars
may require clearances to move.
Technically, 15 ft 1 in (Plate
B) is still the maximum and the circulation of 15 ft 6 in (Plate C)
is somewhat restricted, but the frequency of excess-height rolling
stock, at first ~18 ft (5486 mm) piggybacks and hicube boxcars then
later autoracks, airplane parts cars as well as 20 ft 2 in (6147 mm)
high double-stacked containers in container well cars, means that
many, but not all, lines are now designed for a higher loading
gauge. The width of these extra height cars is covered by Plate C-1.
However, additional height restrictions apply to the Long Island
Rail Road (LIRR) which can not even handle the 15 ft 1 in height, to
the Metro-North Railroad and to Amtrak's Northeast Corridor.
Westinghouse Electric - Schnabel Car WECX200 Pinelawn - 3/1973
Photo/Archive: Art Huneke
WECX201 E990 Westinghouse Electric Transformer Car at Wellwood siding
Photo/Archive: Art Huneke
LI City 4 truck heavy duty flat transformer load to
CON ED c.1963 Photo/Archive: Art Huneke
GATX 98222 Holban Yard
Photo/Archive: Art Huneke
High or Wide form tacked to the boxcar near the destination card,
bound for the LIRR: Yaphank, NY.
SHPX 81567 Honeymead tank car passing HALL Tower 8/15/1967
Photo/Archive: Art Huneke
AMERICAN FREEDOM TRAIN JULY 31, 1976 AT BELMONT PARK
American Freedom Train at Belmont Park 7/31/1976
View NW Photo/Archive: Paul De Luca
Belmont Park 1975 Photo/Archive: Jason Baxter
American Freedom Train at Belmont Park 7/31/1976
Observation car with drumhead
Photo/Archive: Paul De Luca
American Freedom Train maintenance at Belmont
Park 7/31/1976 Photo/Archive: Paul De Luca
C-66
Engineer Gene Buckley SPECIAL RETIREMENT
MOVE
C-66 retirement special for
Engineer Gene Buckley’s “Final Run”. His wish for the "Old
Times" with this move as arrangements were made to have him and his
family ride the hack.
MP15AC #150 move of C-66 eastbound passing the Atlantic Pipe siding in
Hicksville - Photo/Archive: Jason Saberhagen Epler
C-66 at Port Jefferson 9/01/2022 - Photo/Archive: Patrick Hines
RF-1 train - LIRR #150 delivers C-66 Port Jefferson West
Yard 9/01/2022 - Photo/Archive: Anthony Cervone, Jr.
LIRR #150 sporting the LIRR Keystone Herald at Port Jefferson
9/01/2022 - Photo/Archive: Patrick Hines
LIRR #150 work train with C-66 in tow westbound through Mineola
9/01/2022 - Photo/Archive: Charles Francis
Taken on Thursday September 1st, 2022. Here is the same caboose C-66,
from the retirement train, running back to Holban on a work train.
After the retirement train went back to Hicksville and needed to
transport C-66 back to Holban, so they put it on this work train.
Info: Charles Francis
Note: C-66 had been turned for
this move. Steven Lynch
C-66 resides on the former Smith Chemical siding
Holban Yard 11/2019
Modern Maid - Dunkirk St. Yard, Holban 10/04/2022
Photo/Archive: Joe Vila
LIRR C-66 was hand lettered "Railroad Chick Sherri Hine" by the MofE
Department in tribute to Sherri Hine McKenna as the Conductor of YFD
201 which is based in Holban Yard. She has been there for a number of
years now. YFD201 is the crew book designation of a Yard Freight
Drill assignment switching in Holban Yard. Originally 201 would be a
job on the second tour, beginning in the afternoon; a "half night"
job. The 101 would begin in the morning (daylight) and the 301 would
be a late night "3rd Trick" job.
Located at the Smith Chemical siding in upper Holban Yard which has
been its home for many years and where it currently sits today. It was
recently moved north closer to Liberty Ave. due to a derailment on the
switch in front of it. Prior it was moved around Holban Yard and
Dunkirk Yard as space permitted (see below).
C-66 was restored by Blue Ridge Southern owned by Watco Holdings, in
the late 80's early 90's. During the Charles W. Hoppe Administration
1990-1994 C66 was rebuilt as a business car, but was not used that
way. It was repainted in 2014 by the MofE Dep't., but since the LIRR
lacks a paint shop it was done with brush and roller and is badly
faded today. The "Long Island" and "C-66" was all done by hand with a
brush which was quite impressive. It also lost its underbody generator
and the onboard water tanks and some piping during the repaint. It is
an unofficial honor, done by the same crew who did the repaint. Photo: C-66
'Sherri Hine' interior - Holban Yard Photo/Archive: Joseph Bacchi
As far as I know C-66 has never been used since its repaint. Sometime
last year it was decided that the Loram Rail Vac should operate with a
shoving platform so the operator and pilot wouldn't have to ride the
MSF40 car during reverse moves. Objections were raised as C-66 is in
excellent shape and MofE would like to keep it that way. Instead it
was decided that C-69 would be put back into service and outfitted
with the necessary headlights and marker lights.C-66 is currently back
out of service after lead was found in the interior paint and is
pending remediation. Info: Scott Niagara
Current
location of C-66 as of 10/04/2022
Modern Maid - Dunkirk St. Yard, Holban
10/04/2022
Photo/Archive: Joe Vila
TOWER INTERLOCKING TIMERS
Interlocking Model Boards
display the track diagram along with the round glass-enclosed timers.
When a towerman has a route lined for a train and the appropriate
signal is displayed, he could stop the train and reroute it. The
signal can be restored if the train is not close. However, the train
may be close and moving at high speed, therefore, the towerman would
start a timer. Otherwise, the switch/s could be changed to a low-speed
route, and it may cause a derailment. The timer (screw release) must
be run for one or more minutes to assure that the train stops or
proceeds safely. Typically, locking released after 5 minutes, so the
operator could then change the route and the proper signal indication.
NASSAU Tower - Wartime Operator at Model Board
c.1945 Archive: Dave Keller
PD Tower Model Board Patchogue 7/1971
Note: At the far right, above the timer, you can see the start/end of
double track at the spring switch at "Y," east of Sayville. Those
signals were handled by "PD" Photo/Archive: Dave Keller
PD Tower Model Board 7/1971 locations labeled:
Photo: Dave Keller Labels: Steven Lynch
VAN Tower interlocking machine and model board
Vanderbilt Ave. Yard, Brooklyn - 4/1978 Wm. Madden photo, Dave Keller
archive
LEAD Cabin Model Board, Long Beach 2/05/1978
(Erlitz-Keller)
B Tower - Model board - 3/18/1979
Jeff Erlitz photo, Dave Keller archive
HAROLD Tower 1 - Model Board LI City
3/12/1978 (J. Erlitz-D. Keller)
SECTION DIVIDE (sd)
Section Divide- SD (Section Gang Maintenance Zone) Babylon
MP37-38 - 7/958 Robert Emery maps Archive: Dave Keller
Section Divide, SD, i.e. a numbered track
section gang maintenance zone. Not sure I ever had a list of the
sections since they were mostly "inside baseball". As far as I can
recall, they never appeared on the LIRR valuation maps, but were
usually noted on the track charts as the ones published annually by
the Engineering Department as an outline of the next year's track
maintenance programs. The length of each section varied greatly
depending on the number of tracks and the presence of yards.
Traditionally, on the LIRR, the Track Supervisor of a district would
be required to ride the annual inspection train with the chief
engineer and receive either kudos or brickbats from the boss. My
recollection is that the LIRR had four track supervisors in my era and
the next Engineer-Track (just below Asst CE - Track) was promoted to
that position based on the performance of his district. Ride quality,
appearance and production were all included in those evaluations. This
was not unique to the LIRR, but was based on PRR practice and was
generally the case on most Class I railroads. The inspection train was
a sacred ritual. Since early railroad engineers were military
engineers, engineering promotions and rank had a much clearer military
pecking order than transportation. Thus, many railroad presidents were
engineering types. Tom Goodfellow and Walter Schlager, Jr., for
instance. Info: Richard Maske
temporary BAR CARS
LIRR #200 westbound Train #12 with ex-NH sleeping car, three
LIRR Pullman heavyweight parlor cars (probably 28-1 type),
another NH sleeper, PB57 combine used as a bar car and
three P54D coaches. Mike Boland
Two trains had P-54 combines as
bar cars: #12 and #212 and only during July and August (not enough
business on either of the trains to justify assignment of a
bartender). July and August saw a buildup of both trains with added
parlors on #12 and a second parlor on #212. The attached photo from
7/12/68 shows #12 on the Westbridge curve with the combine as the
sixth car. The baggage section is next to the New Haven "parlor" which
had extra booze to supply the bar car. Back in the 60's, not all
parlors had their own stock. On the Cannonball, with 17 cars, some of
the cars supplied two other cars. There was an hourly differential if
you had that assignment since it carried more responsibility. Mostly
the full-time parlor car attendants handled those supply assignments.
The combines were nothing short of an abomination. If Lucius Beebe had
seen these monstrosities, he would have put a pox on the entire
railroad. Imagine two 55 gallon drums with a somewhat enhanced piece
of plywood as the bar and another 55 gallon drum lined with a huge
clear plastic bag and filed with large bags of ice. I never caught one
of these assignments. But it's summer and the ice was cold, the
booze was cheap, and the Budweiser's were super cold.
All the bar cars were big money makers. If you were fast and got along
with the regular bartender (many of the commuter bars had two
bartenders), you could pocket $200-$250 a week. Back then, the 5:13
Hunterspoint to Speonk had two bar cars and four bartenders.
Westbridge curve - 7/12/1968
Photo/Archive/Info: Richard Makse
WESTERN UNION TELEGRAPH MATERIAL
CAR
Western Union Telegraph Co. Material Car WUTX #7068
Glen Cove -1946 Photo: Elmer Seifts Archive: RMLI
Note: Observe the train-lines, signal and air, to facilitate movement
on the rear of a passenger train.
Built in 1929 by the Western
Union Company at their Chattanooga, Tenn., shops. The Western Union
Company constructed or modified railroad cars for use in their “camp
car outfits” from about 1914 until 1930 for a heavy reconstruction
program of their telegraph lines nationwide.
Approximately 120 such outfits were in use at the height of the repair
and rebuilding work conducted by the Company from about 1920 to 1930.
A slow decrease in camp car use occurred until the last full outfit
was disbanded in 1960. At least one partial outfit operated until
September of 1963 when it was finally disbanded, as well.
Western Union retained some tool and material cars for company storage
of materials nationwide as the camp car outfits were disbanded. These
cars would be parked in railroad yards for access by Western Union
personnel from their trucks in the 1950's and 1960's.
A typical outfit consisted of a tool car, two former Pullman cars
rebuilt as living quarters, and a material car similar in appearance
to the tool car. The tool and material cars typically had only one
diaphragm to connect it with the other three cars of the outfit. The
other end was blind. A tank car with water was included with the
outfit where local water resources were hard to find. The Tool Car
also housed the Delco electric generator and glass batteries which
provided the electric lights for the entire outfit. Research: Lloyd
Neal
The LIRR leased its right of
ways for open wire lines to Western Union to carry telegrams. Nassau
Tower, for example had a small patch board (on its south wall
upstairs) with jacks and jumpers for the Western Union lines along the
Main Line. As late as the 1970's the operator there was occasionally
called and asked to switch the patch cables to allow access to
different wires. As some local maintenance was done by Western Union
personnel, this car probably carried materials for wire repair and
replacement. In some locations you could see a lot of old telegraph
equipment or remnants of it, Locust Valley and Montauk are two, for
example.
Long Island Sunrise Trail (LIST) NRHS Cars spring 1971
LIRR MP54's - LIST-NRHS cars Howell's siding view E from Cooper St.,
Babylon
Spring
1971 Photo/Archive: Richard Glueck
A high-roof PP70 coach and former chair car,
MBM62 4209 and then a string of flat-roof or clerestory roof
cars--probably MP54A 1632, an MP54A1 4100-series car, and a motorized
MP54T or MP54AT as well as other cars in the distance. Note:
LIRR called their parlor cars "Chair Cars" until 1926 when PULLMAN
took over the service. Mike Boland
Emery map MP 36-37 1958 Archive: Dave Keller
Photo (left) location is
#15 on the Emery map.
Semaphore 9/1972 NRHS-LIST Rolling Stock
F&C KROEMER AVE CAR MOVE
"...The three cars had been
sitting still, silent for over thirty years. Two Cabooses and a boxcar
were sitting, now practically abandoned awaiting their certain fate of
scrap. The two ex-Missouri Pacific Cabooses, 13388 and 13456, and
former Pittsburgh and Lake Erie boxcar 25624 were destined for scrap.
In May of 2019, we contacted the land owner, Frank Fisher, about the
three cars and told him that we were interested in saving them. After
some negotiating, he agreed to donate the three cars to us..."
Read the entire article with pictures and video describing the entire
story:: https://www.twinforksnrhs.org/mp-caboose-move
by Twin Forks NRHS -Vice President Gerard Jewels
F&C 10/2005 Photo/Archive: Paul Strubeck
F&C originally MP - Kroemer Ave., Riverhead - Google maps
RMLI 1/12/2022 Photo/Archive: Steve Rothaug
Crane move by Long Island Crane of ex-MP 13388 on 11/18/202
Photo/Archive: Gerard Jewels
Crane move of ex-MP 13456 on 11/18/2021
Photo/Archive: Gerard Jewels
Crane-move placement of ex-P&LE 25624 boxcar at
RMLI, Riverhead
on 11/19/2021 Photo/Archive: Gerard Jewels
HAROLD B. FULLERTON
Harold B. Fullerton took lots of photos on glass plate negatives in the 1898-1900 era. He set up the
Mile-a-Minute Murphy deal and photographed it. You could say he was an early Public Relations Director. He did a lot to promote the growth of Long Island, using the LIRR to assist in that growth, both agriculturally and residentially as well as touting it as a great playground for the wealthy. . . all of which actually happened.
Fullerton was named
"agricultural officer" for the railroad and absolutely
worthless land was purchased for two experimental stations: one in
Wading River in 1905 and one in Medford in 1907. The goal was to prove
to commercial folks that Long Island COULD successfully grow produce
marketable and in piss poor soil at that. The Wading River
experimental station closed early on, but the Medford station lasted
until 1927 when Fullerton retired and his wife ran it for another year
until it was closed and sold off in 1928, just in time for the
Pennsy's full takeover of the LIRR.
Produce of extremely healthy proportions were raised and displayed at various shows and fairs, such as the famous and heavily-attended annual Mineola Fair.
The ETT No. 73, effective May 27, 1914, which lists the Experimental Station No. 2 as a station stop, 58 miles from Penn
Station, the very next stop east of Medford. There are several trains that made "f" stops
there. (See below) Research: Dave Keller
LIRR
Experimental FarmS
The New York State Public
Library 1909 Hyde map shows an area called Plainfield with a siding and a plot of land for the LIRR Experimental Farm.
The Experimental Farm was, indeed, located there, on the north side of Long Island Avenue, just a short distance east of where Horseblock Rd. crossed the tracks (via trestle when I was younger, but probably at grade back in the time of that map) and I'm sure there was a siding there for produce grown at the farm to be brought to market.
Plainfield never appeared on a timetable
(public or employee) and it wasn't a stop and there wasn't a depot
building. ETT #73, effective 05/27/14 shows the Experimental Farm as a
flag stop. Odd, though, that while the farm was in place since 1907 it
does not appear in ETTs pre or post 1914. Research: Dave Keller
Wading River Station - Experimental Greenery
Experimental Farm #1's attempt at early "green-screen"
c.1905.
Experimental Farm #1 opened at Wading River in 1905 so this could have taken place between then and when the 2nd level was added to the depot in 1906. The depot doesn't look "new" so it's some years after it opened in 1898.
Of course, this could have had nothing to do with the Farm but was done on the part of the agent, but I can't see the LIRR allowing the agent to make this mess, but Fullerton and the Farm? Definitely!
The majority of the greenery is on the west side of the depot, where the sun would beat in from about 1:00 pm. on during the hot summers. And, as the sun sets further to the NW, some of the greenery has been included at the NW rear corner of the depot.
You can make out the old train order signal out front thru the greenery.
Info: Dave Keller
Hal Fullerton - Experimental Farm boxcar office 6/16/1910
Collection: Suffolk County Historical Society
Credit (above and right) : Ron Ziel's Steel
Rails to the Sunrise
LIRR Experimental Farm #2 First Crop 7/1907 (upper photo) Chapman-Queens Borough Public Library
Mrs. Fullerton Suffolk County Fair 1910
G5s #49 and westbound train was photographed passing the site of Experimental Station No. 2 east of Medford by Albert Bayles in 1940. Photographer was standing at the edge of Long Island Avenue, just east of the Horseblock Road overpass. The road curb is visible in the image.
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Albert Bayles photo, Dave Keller archive
LIRR Express cars unloading exhibits at the Suffolk County Fair 1907
Archive: Richard Eikov
Unloading LIRR Experimental Stations
sign for the Suffolk County Fair 1907
Engine #94 at Experimental Station #2 near Medford in 1907.
White flags indicate train is an Extra. Five railroad employees are
seen posing with the train in the image.
Photo: Fullerton, Hal B. - Archive: Queens Public Library
LIRR unloading exhibits at the Suffolk County
Fair 1907
LIRR DEMONSTRATOR UNITS
EMD GP7 #200 demonstrator at Stony Brook 3/31/1950
Archive: Dave Keller
EMD GP7 #200 demonstrator at Hicksville - 3/1950
The view is NE so the train was westbound in this image. At the far
left can be seen the rear of the Jordan Spreader that was stored at
Hicksville for fast response in the event of a blizzard. Info: Dave
Keller
EMD GP7 #200 demonstrator eastbound at Huntington 3/1950
W. J. Edwards photo, Dave Keller archive
EMD GP7 #200 demonstrator at Morris Park backshop 3/28/1950
Photo: William J. Rugen Archive: Art Huneke
FM CPA24-5 Demonstrator #4802 - Train
#635 Port Jefferson to Jamaica
6/1950 (Votava-Boland)
FM CPA24-5 Demonstrator #4802 - Huntington 6/04/1950
Photo: Gary
Everhart
FM CPA24-5 "C" liner demonstrator #4801
- Morris Park 5/27/1950 Purchased by the LIRR and delivered in 1951.
George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive
FM H15-44 demonstrator #1503 and LIRR train at Bethpage, NY -
5/14/1950
Purchased and rebuilt to an H16-44 to match the other
H16-44 units LIRR #1501-1509
Photo: George E. Votava, Archive: Dave Keller
FM Trainmaster demonstrator at Farmingdale 8/1953
The LIRR never purchased the FM "Trainmaster" model.
EMD SD7 #991 demonstrator - Jamaica Storage Yard, Morris Park
1/06/1953 Photo: Bill Rugen Archive: Art Huneke
EMD GP35 Demonstrator - Morris Park 1965
PRR Erie built FM #4973 Railroad Ave view N
Patchogue 6/1949 Archive: Art Huneke
The LIRR was in need of a 2000
HP locomotive to handle Montauk trains in order to return the K4s back
to the PRR. This photo shows a PRR cab unit on the Long Island RR. It
is an Erie built FM 2000HP cab unit. in Summer of 1949. The PRR had
previously sent an Alco PA-1 to LI for test back in December 1948.
Both of these tests were short stints. What is known is that shortly
after the Erie built was on LI, the PRR placed the LIRR in Bankruptcy.
In the coming year, the Trustees placed orders with FM which brought
the 2000HP and 2400 HP C liners to the LIRR in the Tichy colors. All
the K-4s on the LIRR went back to the PRR once the C Liners were on
the LIRR in 1951. They were no longer needed for the Montauk trains as
C Liners now were handling these trains. This was not a demonstrator
unit.
LASER "LEAF TRAIN" - OYSTER BAY - PORT JEFFERSON BRANCH
Bread and Cheese Hollow Road, Kings Park "Laser Train"
11/03/2021 Photo/Archive: Greg Grice
Spray Wash Train "Leaf Train" LIRR #154 Locust Valley
11/05/2021 Photo/Archive: Daniel Foran
"Lasers Over Bread & Cheese"
On the morning of November 3rd, 2021, Long Island Rail Road's "Laser
Train" is seen heading east over Bread and Cheese Hollow Road on the
Port Jefferson Branch
in Kings Park, NY with "glass out" MP15AC 150 leading the way.
LIRR's Laser Trains consist of two MP15ACs sandwiching a retired Budd
M3 pair equipped with technology installed by Laser Precision
Solutions. They are tasked with vaporizing leaf residue off of the
rails throughout the system. During the fall season, leaves fall onto
the tracks which cause slip slide conditions when ran over by trains.
Many railroads utilize rail washers for this issue, but the LIRR has
recently turned to this technology for the task. Info: Gregory Grice
MINEOLA TRAIN ACTION
DM30AC #515 Mineola
M7 #7543 Mineola
LIRR #152 work train Mineola
Views NE from the Mineola Station
Parking
Photos/Archive: 9/22/2021 Michael Kam
NYA #268 Mineola
M9 #9017 Mineola
EAST SHORE ROAD, GREAT NECK
BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION
East Shore Rd., Great-Neck bridge postcard 1912
View East
View East
View Southwest
View West
View West
Above photos above 11/19/1956
East Shore Road bridge, Great Neck 5/17/1957
LIRR President Goodfellow news clip Demolition Ceremony
All material: Archive: Dave Morrison
East Shore Road, Great-Neck bridge 5/17/1957 demolition ceremony
LIRR President T. Goodfellow (left), Nassau County Executive A.
Patterson
East Shore Road, Great Neck bridge 8/09/2021
CSX SAFETY TRAIN
CSX Safety Train consist 1/28/2017
CSX Safety Train classroom boxcar at
Yaphank 5/22/2018
The CSX Safety Train is used to train First Responders on how to handle any type of problem with Haz-Mat loads in boxcars and tank cars.
The boxcar is used as a classroom, the tank cars are examples of what is "in service" for
chemicals, pressurized gasses, and oil and gasoline products.
The CSX Safety Train has its own crew of instructors, with prearranged visits to train or
provide refresher courses as earlier training was done years ago by CSX/NYA.
CSX Safety Train tank car in transit
on Hell Gate approach 2018
NYA RS41 268 - CSX Safety train 9/24/2021
Photo/Archive: Thomas Farmer
CSX Safety train at Carle Place westbound return to Fresh Pond.
9/24/2021 Photo/Archive: Dan Foran
CSX Safety train at Carle Place view E. 9/24/2021 Photo/Archive: Dan
Foran
Safety First. After a week-long training program
at Hicksville Team Yard, the NYA RS41 #268 hauls the CSX Safety Train
on the rear of their consist. The safety train spent a week at
Hicksville to train local firefighters on how to deal with railroad
accidents, such as hazmat tank car accidents.
Here the equipment is going back to Fresh Pond
where it'll be interchanged with CSX and onto it's next
destination.9/24/21) Info: Thomas Farmer
CSX Safety train at Carle Place view W 9/24/2021 Photo/Archive: Dan
Foran
RETIRED M3 CARS LAST
STOP FOR THE SUFFOLK COUNTY FIRE ACADEMY
Retired LIRR cars en-route to
the Suffolk County Fire Academy
Newsday 5/18/2018 Photo: James Carbone
Yaphank - LIRR M3 retired cars for
the Fire Academy Fire 4/18/2018
Photos: Dave Morrison
Suffolk County Fire Academy SCFA logo
LIRR #9802 at Suffolk County Fire Academy SCFA
This drill is scheduled for use in 2022. 9/13/2021
LIRR #9802-9801 at Suffolk County Fire Academy
9/13/2021 Photos/Archive: SCFA
Suffolk County Fire Academy Platform changes 2021
Suffolk County Fire Academy Sign 2021
Northeast Blackout November 9,
1965
I'm
sitting in Long Island City yard on an Alco RS3, don’t know which one,
not important. We are scheduled to be the last train out of Hunter's
Point to Ronkonkoma. It’s cool outside so we have steam lines
connected on the train. The little steam leaks down the length of the
train and the lack of a breeze makes for a pretty photo. The Manhattan
skyline in the background with the lights in the buildings, just come
on, the silhouette of an airliner flying over the city makes a perfect
composition. As the airliner reaches the profile of the Empire State
building, ALL the lights go out. I had seen the devastation of the of
the collision of WWII bomber into the that building so I’m assuming
the worst, 2 seconds later the plane comes past the other side but the
lights stay out. Pretty soon the lights in LI City go out, also. The
signals all go black and I don’t hear the subway, the EL or any trains
coming out of Penn Station. We don’t have cell phones or radios so it
was some time before we heard what happened. As the night went on, we
saw people coming out of the LICK air shaft from the LIRR tunnels.
Some people got off of the train and walked out or up. The biggest
problem when that occurs is that the Power Director has to pull the
power in the tunnels. Even if the lights came on again they couldn’t
move the trains. Around One or Two o’clock in the morning I had to cut
off the engine to run to a hydrant in the yard to refill the boiler
tank. We, by now, had a couple of cars of passengers. It was a warm
place to be and we had a bar car that sold out by midnight. The 15:59
law didn’t affect us, we were on duty 24 hours when we reached
Ronkonkoma. All ready to go home I’m told to bring my regular train
back to LICK. Long day!! Author: Ed Schleyer
Pictures: LIFE magazine 11/19/1965
Amtrak GP15 #578 dropped
off AMTK #10002, geometry car "Corridor Clipper", on July 6, 2021 at
LI City for the special move to Montauk. Perhaps, the only time an Amtrak locomotive (a GP15 in this
case) ever went west of Hunterspoint Avenue, or possibly even west of
F Interlocking, on the LIRR. Jeff Erlitz
LIRR special inspection train from
Jamaica to Montauk and return (7/07/2021). Heading east,
locomotive 401, Amtrak track geometry car "Corridor Clipper" 10002
(running backwards), C3 coach 4055, locomotive 409. Returning west,
locomotives 401 and 409 (elephant style, which is uncommon for the
modern era LIRR), C3 coach 4055 and Amtrak track geometry car
"Corridor Clipper" 10002 (rearmost properly pointed). The 401 was
turned on the wye at Montauk and moved to the west end of the train
for the trip back to Jamaica. Report: John Deasy
Amtrak GP15 #578 delivery of Amtrak geometry car at LI City 7/06/2021
Photo/Archive: Barry Johnson
Amtrak geometry car AMTK #10002 delivered at LI City 7/06/2021
Photo/Archive: Barry Johnson
Extra 401 Consist: 401-AMTK10002-4055-409 st
MP38.31 View W 7/07/2021 Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
Extra 401 Consist: 401-520-4055-AMTK10002 at
MP38.59 - View E 7/07/2021 Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
Extra 401 after being “wyed” in Montauk and thus Amtrak #10002 had its
“observation” end uncovered. Also, very rare, to see these diesels
operated “elephant” style. Jeff Erlitz
Extra 401 at MP38.59 - Amtrak #10002 "Corridor
Clipper"
geometry car View W 7072021. You can see Home Signal #60
and the Robert Moses Causeway in the distance.
Photo/Archive: Jeff Erlitz
Extra 401 view W from West Islip pedestrian
bridge.
7/07/2021 Photo/Archive: Daniel Foran
Extra 401 passing Forest Hills Station.
7/07/2021
Photo/Archive: Sunny Zheng
Extra 401eastbound crossing Shinnecock Canal bridge.
7/07/2021
Photo/Archive: Gregory
Grice.
Extra 401 passing Center Moriches Station 7072021
Photo/Archive: Daniel Foran
Extra 401 - Amtrak #10002 "Corridor Clipper" geometry car westbound
return trip. 7072021 - View W
Photo/Archive: Evan Gerace
Amtrak GP15 #579 pickup of Amtrak geometry car
at LI City 7/076/2021 Photo/Archive: Barry Johnson
With the TC82 track
inspection car unavailable, due to the collision on June 17, 2921 at
Cold Spring Harbor, the LIRR needed a TGC run to Montauk to be in
compliance. Barry johnson
Amtrak GP15 #579 enroute for pickup of Amtrak geometry car at LI City
7/076/2021 Photo/Archive: Barry Johnson
NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT TGC 4
Metropolitan Transportation
Authority - MTA New York City Transit Subway TGC 4 is a track geometry
car built by Plaser to the clearance NYCT Subway to check for defects.
For only the second time on Saturday May 22, 2021, it visited the MTA
LIRR East Side Access project to inspect. It is seen returning from
East Side Access, passing through the MTA LIRR Forest Hills Station
under the position light signals. It will spend the night in Jamaica,
before returning to the NYCT Subway the next day. Info: Marc Glucksman
TGC 4 Forest Hills 5/22/2021 Photo/Archive: Marc
Glucksman
FRA Geometry car DOTX #221, former Metroliner
coach #803, to make sure LIRR's own data is correct as generated by
TC-82. Test runs began with a DE30AC on each end instead of the usual
MP15AC.
Test runs today 5/04/2021 went to Hempstead and Greenport, and this
train is likely to visit all of the branches of the LIRR.
FRA Inspection Train at B Tower DE30AC #409 #423 DOTX #221 5/04/2021
Photo/Archive: Joe Tischner
FRA DOTX #221 5/05/2021
Photo/Archive Jason SaintTmr Epler
The FRA Train arriving at Hicksville with
Divide Tower in the background after returning from the morning run up
and down the Port Jefferson Branch & heading to Mineola to do the
afternoon run up and down the Oyster Bay Branch! Taken 05/05/2021
FRA DOTX #221 Oyster Bay Branch 5/05/2021
Photo: Archive: Joe Stroppel
DE30AC #409 #423 DOTX #221 5/05/2021
Manhasset-Viaduct Photo/Archive: Alex Vasic
DOTX #22 Mineola 5/05/2021 Photo/Archive: Thomas Farmer
DOTX #22 Mineola 5/05/2021 Photo/Archive: Thomas
Farmer
INSPECTION TRIPS
LIRR #153 and #157 Metroliner DOTX #216 passing B Tower eastbound
12/08/2010 Photo/Archive: Joe Tischner
LIRR #157 #123 and Metroliner DOTX #216 12/08/2010
Photo/Archive: Joe Tischner
LIRR Inspection trip FM H16-44 #1504 PRR ex-Pullman heavyweight "QUEEN
MARY", LIRR "JAMAICA"
View SW eastbound of East Patchogue c.1958 (Maywald-Boland)
LIRR Inspection trip FM H16-44 #1504 PRR ex-Pullman heavyweight "QUEEN
MARY", LIRR "JAMAICA" eastbound at Fresh Pond c.1958 Photo/Archive:
Art Huneke
LIRR Inspection trip FM H16-44 #1504 PRR ex-Pullman heavyweight "QUEEN
MARY", LIRR "JAMAICA" eastbound at "POND" c.1958 Photo/Archive: Art
Huneke
LIRR Inspection trip FM H16-44 #1504 LIRR "JAMAICA", PRR
ex-Pullman heavyweight "QUEEN MARY", eastbound at Glen Cove c.1958
(Maywald-Huneke)
Pullman heavyweight QUEEN MARY built in
5/23/1925 for the Lehigh Valley. In 1945 it was sold to the Wabash,
which points to an assignment in a Detroit - Chicago train. The PRR
ran these with the Wabash 11/12/46. In 1950 the Wabash sold it to the
PRR. 3/15/1949. It was withdrawn from the Pullman lease in October,
1956.
Termed "Bosses Trains" as they ran over
the entire road every October taking two or three days. On the day
scheduled to visit Port Washington
they would use an RS1 for motive power as nothing heavier was allowed
on the Manhasset Viaduct. Art Huneke
"Once
Upon a Time", there was this enterprising Long Island (Bethpage,
perhaps) individual, Al Coleman (a.k.a. A. Michael Coleman) who --
through an imaginary organization in the name of American Rail Systems
(for short, "Amrail") -- envisioned charter rail excursions on the
LIRR (and elsewhere?) brimming with entertainment and every leisure
amenity possible. To "kick-off" this rather ambitious venture, he
acquired two classic railcars...ex-Pullman / New Haven (heavyweight)
14-room sleeper Night Trail, and ex-U.S. Army kitchen car USAX 89673.
Both cars were meticulously restored, painted in a rich Tuscan red
livery, and stored (by Coleman) on an industrial siding belonging to a
lumber wholesaler in Port Jefferson (NY) in the late 1970's. Bear in
mind...Al Coleman never "had a hand" in restoring these cars...he
merely acquired these cars as "finished products", storing them at the
aforesaid location.
On September 23, 1978, I took a
chance and drove to "Port Jeff" to locate his cars, when --
lo-and-behold -- the elusive Mr. Coleman was, indeed, there! I
remember...Al -- so surprised that somebody actually "stopped-by" to
see his cars -- gave me a tour of the cars in their entirety (if
memory serves me, he was conducting a "static" air brake test (using a
portable compressor) of the two cars (coupled) when I arrived. Of the
few photos I took of his cars that afternoon, he requested I take one
of him posing beside the former New Haven Pullman, which was renamed
American Dream (photo attached). He also gave me a "flyer" advertising
an "Amrail" July 1979 round-trip excursion to Montauk he proposed,
which -- to my knowledge -- never transpired.
In the decades that have passed since Al Coleman's "Port Jefferson
days", former NH Pullman Night Trail and USAX 89673 have moved-on from
Port Jefferson to venues elsewhere...
• Night Trail now resides on the Pennsylvania shortline Reading, Blue
Mountain & Northern, running in excursion service as #2 Hickory Run.
• USAX 89673 was acquired by the Essex, CT tourist operation Valley
Railroad, rebuilt as a kitchen car (Colonial Hearth) for their dinner
train.
Al Coleman - Pullman Night Trail
- Port Jefferson 9/23/1978 Photo/Flyer/Info: Ed Frye
Al Coleman "Amrail" flyer round trip to Montauk
7/21/1979
Archive: Ed Frye
Pullman Parlor SAMUEL FREEMAN - ex-PRR NIGHT TRAIL
stored for private owner at Port Jefferson 2/1976 View NW
Photo/Archive: Dave Keller
HIGH IRON baggage car - ex-CRRNJ OASIS stored for
private owner at Port Jefferson 2/1976 Photo/Archive: Dave
Keller
LIRR MP15ACs SIMULATOR
LIRR MP15ACs #150 at Oyster Bay yard
The LIRR EMD
MP15AC Simulator is located at: 183-20 Liberty Ave., Hollis, NY 11423.
Built in 2009, by CORYS, it became operational in March 2010. It
features CGI (computer generated imagery) with high-fidelity rendering
providing a very realistic environment. Trainees after a few minutes
become submerged in the experience. The motion base shaking , designed
by MOOG, is a bit less than the real engine due to safety concerns
for the trainees.
We have
multiple scenarios, typically the trainee will couple to 10 cars in
Babylon and go east to Montauk.
MB-EP-5DOF/8/3000KG
- This train simulator MB-EP-5DOF/8/3000KG is capable of handling a
Gross Moving Load (GML) of 3,000 kg (6,614 lb) and is comprised of
four 8 inch stroke electric actuators, two 8 inch pneumatic actuators
and one 20 inch electric actuator for the lateral rail.
LIRR Simulator Building 7/29/2020
Photo/Archive: Dave Morrison
CORYS LIRR MP15ACs simulator on MOOG motion base
LIRR EMD MP15ACs simulator controls
LIRR MP15ACs simulator window view
Dave Morrison using the MP15ACs simulator
RMLI-The Postboy - FRANKFURT
STATION
The Railroad Museum of Long
Island (RMLI) newsletter, “The
Postboy", has a feature "From the Collections" by President Don
Fisher. The July 2020 issue article focuses on the standard gauge
Frankfurt Railroad Station, Germany. A unique, beautiful, and hand
crafted item donated by the Great Granddaughter, Jenna Covert, of the
builder; Balthazar Lang. It was determined Balthazar Lang created the
station in 1928. Jenna (Lang) Covert brought it to the Museum as a
donation in November, 2019.
Balthazar Lang Family Christmas train layout
LIRR WORLD'S FAIR ALCO FA2 CAB
The cab unit came from a former New Haven
Railroad FA2 diesel locomotive # 0402, built by the American
Locomotive Company in 1947. In 1963, the New Haven traded in #0402 to
Alco for the purchase of newer locomotives. Alco cut off the cab end
of the locomotive and sold the unit to the LIRR for display at the
1964 NY World's Fair. The public was allowed to climb up into the cab
and have their photos taken while looking out the engineers window.
After the fair closed, the LIRR sold the cab unit to the Tanglewood
Day Camp in Lynbrook, NY where the unit was part of a children's
playground. When the camp closed in 1988, the unit was made available
to the Oyster Bay Railroad Museum. Tim Darnell
Note: The cab number boards wee changed from
1964 to 1965 to reflect the year. After the Fair closed the unit was
given #1834 to reflect the LIRR creation: 4/24/1834
NY World's Fair - LIRR Exhibit entrance 1965 Note: number board.
Photo/Archive: Brad Phillips
LIRR #1834 Tanglewood Camp, Lynbrook 6/01/1974
Photo/Archive: Tim Darnell
LIRR #1834 Tanglewood Camp, Lynbrook 10/1980
Photo/Archive: Bill Mangahas
LIRR Alco FA2 cab #1964 number board on right side. Photo/Archive:
OBRM
LIRR Alco FA2 cab #1834 number board on left side 6/26/2013
Photo/Archive: Tim Darnell
FA2 cab #1834 at OBRM 10/12/2019
Photo/Archive: Tim Darnell
LIRR Alco FA2 cab interior Photo/Archive: OBRM
FA2 cab interior OBRM
10/12/2019 Photo/Archive: Tim Darnell
LIRR DECORATIVE DECALS
LIRR #210 C420 - Decorative Decal by John Terry Studio 1977 Archive:
Dave Morrison
LIRR #100 SW1001 - Decorative Decal by John
Terry Studio 1977
Archive: Dave Morrison Note: The decal paper measures 5 1/2" x 11"
LIRR #48 D53a Camelback - Decorative Decal by
John Terry Studio 1978 Archive: Dave Morrison
FA1- MU CONNECTIONS
FA1- MU connections 1973
#1 is the 27 point trainline jumper
#2 650 volt single point trainline jumper-negative
#3 650 volt 4 point trainline jumper-positive
#4 trainline communications
LIRR’s
fleet of diesel hauled push-pull coaches, which were converted from
cars originally built as both P72 class (MP72C, MP72T and T72) and P75
“Zip” class (MP75C and MP75T) electric multiple unit cars.
All the
conversions to push-pull coaches (and parlors and bar-generator cars)
needed to have the same trainline connectors as found on the Powerpack
units, so they could transmit 650 VDC head end power thru the entire
train, and transmit the electrical traction control signals between
the Powerpack and the locomotive.
#1 The 27
point trainline jumper was used to control the locomotive from the cab
control/power-pack unit.
#2 and #3: The other two jumpers were for the 650 VDC Head End Power
system, a system design unique to LIRR. For comparison, Amtrak uses
twelve 4/0 (four ought) conductors in their 480 VAC HEP trainline.
No color
code, the 4 pin was the plus power, the single pin was the neg
(ground) return with NO way to mix up the connections
The red color cover plate for the 27 point MU plug seems to be the
standard at that time.
My
speculation is that #4 could be a 27 pin connector used for a
communications trainline. This could handle things like public address
system, intercom, door control (open/close all doors at high level
platform), etc. Amtrak uses a 27 pin trainline connector for these
features. It has a different pin arrangement than the MU trainline
connector. Info: John Deasy
NEW YORK & LONG
ISLAND TRACTION CO.
The New York and Long Island Traction Company was a street railway company in Queens and Nassau County, New York. It was partially owned by a holding company for the Long Island Rail Road and partially by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. The company operated from New York City east to Freeport, Hempstead, and Mineola.
The traction company had two main lines; The Mineola Line (Now the Nassau Inter-County Express n24 bus route) which
ran from Queens Village to Mineola along Jamaica Avenue, and the Brooklyn-Freeport Line (now the MTA Q7 and Q85, and NICE n4 bus routes), which
ran from Brooklyn to Freeport and ran mostly along Rockaway Boulevard, North Conduit Avenue, Atlantic Avenue and Merrick Road.
Info: Wikipedia
NY & LI Traction Co. 6/22/1919
Archive: Brad Phillips
The NY & Long Island Traction Co, at the terminus of the line at 160th St. and Jamaica Ave. in Jamaica, NY c. 1914. View is looking south along 160th St. Back then, 160th St. was considered the "heart" of downtown Jamaica. You can see how busy a place it once was! Streetcars left here for various destinations. Signs are evident for cars traveling to Hempstead and Mineola, Belmont Park and City Line and Far Rockaway. Quite the traction hub!
While the trees still have leaves on them, this view was most probably taken shortly after Labor Day, when it was unfashionable for straw hats and white jackets/dresses to be worn. You'll notice all the men are wearing derbies, fedoras and newsboy caps as well as dark colored jackets. The few women in the image are also wearing black. Not a straw hat in sight!
Info/Archive: Dave Keller
"WE SERVE WITH
PRIDE" LOGO
GP38-2 "We Serve with
Pride" Logo
Starting in late 1979, the GP38-2 and ALCO C420 L2s received the red stripe. The president of the LIRR at that time was Francis Gabreski, a World War II Ace. Within his tenure, a degree of patriotism came about the
LIRR regarding various markings. These included naming snow-fighting equipment after WWII aircraft (such as Thunderbolt). It also brought about the use of the American flag, an arrangement of five stars, and the slogan, “We Serve With Pride” on rolling stock. These three graphics usually were used together, but sometimes appeared in any combination.
These are still in use today. Info: Al Castelli 2018
LIRR P72 #2933 "We Serve with
Pride" Logo
MP15ac "P" UNITS
The "P" units were the MP15ac locomotives that were used in push-pull service at one end of the train with GP38-2 units at the other end. The "P" units replaced the FA cab units which were no longer in service.
The "P" is stenciled on the nose of the locomotive as a prefix to the road number. The shot at "PD" tower shows that the units were also used in freight service when needed, but were primarily designated for push-pull passenger service.
Info: Dave Keller
MP15ac "P" #168 at Sea Cliff
11/06/1984 Archive: Dave Keller
STORAGE
BATTERY CARS
Battery Car #2 New - Archive: Dave Keller
Battery Car #4 built 1914 by Federal Storage Battery Car Co. Archive:
Francis J. Goldsmith, Jr.- Mike Boland
Storage Battery Car #4 - 3rd rail being installed at the Mineola
Wye south of the powerhouse - New MT Tower, Mineola 9/1926
You see three employees: two uniformed employees (conductor and trainman) and one non-uniformed employee (motorman). He's at the left operating the car.
Info/Archive: Dave Keller
Battery Cars #4 and #2 Mineola c.1918
Photo: George E. Votava Archive: Mike Boland
Mineola - Sanborn Map 7/1917
Archive: Dave Keller
Mineola Mineola powerhouse
Sub-Station 3rd-Rail
Feeder Plan
c.1926 Archive: Art Huneke
The LIRR operated 4 storage battery cars, two of which were combine cars. Two of them operated on the West Hempstead branch as a shuttle service and made runs up to Mineola with a car house at Valley Stream. Sometimes they ran with two cars coupled. (see Robert Emery's data below)
The West Hempstead branch (originally known as the New York Bay Extension) once connected to the LIRR's Hempstead branch at Country Life Press, enabling battery car service between Mineola, West Hempstead and Valley Stream.
The line between Mineola and Country Life Press was not electrified until 1926, so until then the storage battery cars would get charged via jumper cables at either the Mineola substation or at Valley Stream. An above-ground feeder cable covered in wood brought juice from the Mineola substation, beginning in 1910, down to supply power to the Hempstead branch, but the spur trackage was not originally electrified. Information available says part of the route had third rail installed in 1922, yet Emery's West Hempstead and Hempstead branch notes state the West Hempstead branch and the tracks from Hempstead Crossing to Mineola did not receive third rail along its entire length until October, 1926, same time as it reached Mineola. It's possible that a small stretch of third rail was installed in 1922 at the Mineola end of the spur and running along the curved station platform to allow charging of the battery cars when laying up at the old station platform inside the wye. Some photos in existence show third rail and are dated "c. 1922" so we can't be sure that's a valid date for those images. Why install third rail in small segments when the entire line would be electrified 4 years later?
After electrification in 1926 the above-ground feeder cable was still used to supply juice to the Hempstead branch.
In October, 1926, electrification was extended from Floral Park to Mineola. At that time, this spur was electrified with third rail, allowing MU thru service between Mineola and Valley Stream and return. What you're seeing in the above photo, is storage battery car #4 operating on this spur while the third rail was being installed in 1926. What's interesting is that third rail is also being installed on the EAST leg of the wye, which didn't really do anything as it stubbed out that same year at the substation. The leg originally crossed the Main Line and connected to the Oyster Bay branch. Perhaps it was electrified so an MU car could be laid up there.
After electrification in 1926, the storage battery cars no longer had any use and were removed from service.
Research: Dave Keller
Robert Emery's Branch Notes: Storage battery cars operated 6/1913 to 5/1926
"...At Valley Stream, on the north side of the Montauk branch, on the New York Bay Extension (later known as the West Hempstead branch) a single track spur stub ended in a sheet metal building which had large garage-type doors on the east end and which closed across the track. There was a platform along the north side of the track inside the shed. The building held two (2) 4-wheel, storage battery cars. Car #s 2 and 4 were assigned to the NY Bay Extension. Car #s 1 and 3 were assigned to the Bushwick branch between Fresh Pond station and Bushwick station. Car #s 1 and 2 were combine cars while #s 3 and 4 were straight coach. They were equipped for multiple operation. They operated in multiples on two trips during commission hour, otherwise they ran as a single unit, while the other would be recharged during lay-over. They were known locally by the native residents as “the Dinky” and by railroaders as “the Moxie
Wagons...”
You'll notice he says the operated until May, 1926, yet my photos indicate the car in use during the electrification project in September, 1926 (unless it was being used as an inspection vehicle used by
supervisors/bosses to see the progress . . .
) Info: Dave Keller
DE/DM SIMULATOR
DE/DM simulator delivered
by Pedowitz Trucking May 15, 2018 to the OBRM (Oyster Bay Railroad
Museum).
DE/DM and M7
simulators delivered at OBRM 5/15/18
DE/DM signs panel - Upper left cab
Left cab overhead controls
Left cab overhead recorder camera
Center cab throttle stand
Horn and speaker system controls
HEP Mode- Car door override control
DE/DM electrical cabinet
Center cab - Overhead Rear, Exterior lights,
Bypass switches
Right cab controls
Data entry keypad
Brake Controls
Right cab overhead controls
Headlight and Climate Controls
Radio Panel
Fire control panel
ATC control panel
Left display - Horn
Display screens - Sand control
HUNTINGTON RAILROAD
HUNTINGTON: Railroad
electric sub-station incorporated into west end of Farmingdale Depot
with the line heading to Amityville: 1908-1909 - Research: Dave
Keller
Horse Car line: August 26,
1890-1898 - A local horse car line (a car body with flanged
wheels) pulled by one or more horses as the forerunner of streetcars.
Local electric line: June 17, 1898-1909
Beginning of the Cross-Island Line: 1904-1906
Decline and fall: 1916-1919
Restoration of service: 1919-1920
Operations: 1920-1923 - Last years: 1924-1927
Info: The Cross-Island Line - The Story of the Huntington
Railroad by Vincent F. Seyfried
Huntington Railroad Co. 1910 Cover and title page
Archive: Dave Morrison
Huntington Railroad Company map 1910
- Archive: Dave Morrison
The old Huntington Station located west of New York Avenue (Emery map
1957 location #7 map below left), showing a crowd waiting for the New York
train due to arrive at 10:12 am, June 9, 1907. Note the summer trolley at
right and Petit's Grain and Feed Depot. View NW Research/Archive: Dave
Keller
Farmingdale Station - Eastbound on LIRR
main line - Huntington RR trolley
line crossing View NW c.1915 Archive:
Bill Mangahas
Note: Photo was taken anywhere between
August/1909 when the line was extended to Farmingdale and Amityville and
September/1919 when the entire trolley company shut down. A 10-year
window. Research: Dave Keller
Amityville - Cross-Island Trolley Opening Day
8/25/1909
The building is known as the "Triangle Building" - located at
Broadway and Park Avenue - looking south.
Collection: Robert Emery, SUNY Stony Brook
Amityville Station view W c.1910
Photo: William J. Rugen Archive: Queens Public Library Huntington RR Trolley on Trestle
Amityville Station - Huntington RR Trolley on
Trestle
view NW c.1910 Archive: Dave Keller
Amityville Trolley Bridge View W close-up
1964
Photo/Archive: Brad Phillips
The Cross-Island Line - Huntington
Railroad Cover
Author: Vincent F. Seyfried/Archive: Dave
Keller
Note: All maps are from the book.
Huntington RR Route Maps - Huntington to
Farmingdale
Farmingdale to Amityville Maps Archive: Dave Keller
Huntington RR Route Maps - Halesite to Melville
Maps
Archive: Dave Keller
Halesite Post Office - Huntington Railroad colorized post card
c.1903 Photo: William J. Rugen Archive: Dave Morrison
"Car #4 standing in New York Avenue in front of the
Halesite Post Office which began to occupy the coal and lumber office on
Sept 1, 1899." Vincent Seyfried
Huntington Railroad trolley at Huntington Station
colorized post card c.1910 - Archive: Dave Morrison
Huntington RR Route Maps - Halesite
Shops-Farmingdale Station
Huntington/Amityville Stations - Archive: Dave Keller
Huntington Railroad - Newsday letter
2/28/2018
from Dave Morrison
TOWN OF BABYLON
HISTORIC MARKERS
Town of Babylon Historic Marker
Dedications 5/12/2018
South Side R.R., Railroad Avenue at Depot Place,
Babylon
Belmont Junction, Railroad Avenue and Great East Neck Road,
West Babylon
South Side R.R., Wellwood and East Hoffman Avenues,
Lindenhurst
South Side R.R., Great Neck Road and Marconi Boulevard,
Copiague
South Side R.R., Ketcham Avenue, north of W. Oak Street,
Amityville
CAULIFLOWER ACTION
The
true definition of a “team track” in action for the loading of the
local Long Island cauliflower crop headed to NY City markets and
beyond. These NYC 40’ boxcars feature Archbar trucks largely been
superseded by more advanced designs by the mid-teens. The
underframe is fish-belly; typical of 1900+ design.
Cars
labeled as Furniture Car indicate a lading, unlike spillable cement, flour,
sand bags, etc., fluid oil, grease drums, etc., even items as pickles
in barrels, etc. A cauliflower basket dumped over can be easily swept
out after unloading. This is a colorized post card dating
c.1905. Info: Steven Lynch
Note
below in red: Equal to $36 a head
today. So, yes, a delicacy
in New York City in the 1880’s! Using today’s pricing about a pound of Cauliflower: $4-$5 for
a head. Would have been 20¢ in 1885. Wow,
talk about a “cash crop”!
V.
Seyfried: Volume 3
“…The
early 1870's witnessed a marked increase in the amount of produce
shipped from the east end. For example, in March 1873, there was
shipped from Mattituck on one day about 270 barrels of cauliflowers,
and enough from other stations to make over 400 barrels. The following
day another 100 barrels went down and on the next day 185 barrels…”
The
Growth and Decline of the Long Island Rail Road Freight Traffic In
Suffolk County
LONG
ISLAND SUNRISE TRAIL by Michael Bartley
In
the 1880’s Cauliflower was considered a delicacy in New York City
and the market price at the time was$1.50
a head.The
largest growers of Cauliflower were located in Riverhead and Southold.
In 1890 the Town of Riverhead’s official census was 4,000 people.
And yet Riverhead was becoming the agriculture hub of the East End.
The LIRR along with the farmers was the main factor that Riverhead was
earning that title. Many farmers at this time had families dating back
before the American Revolution who have been working the land in the
East End. And after the LIRR came to the East End in the 1840’s
Irish Immigrations followed the rail road to find work. Within a few
decades more Europeans such as Germans and Polish settled in Riverhead
to earn a living farming. The LIRR was instrumental in the development
of Riverhead, as well as the rest of Long Island.
There
were a few organizations that were formed in Riverhead that had
a huge impact in the agriculture industry. The oldest one was formed
in 1863 by a group of farmers to form a club promoting agriculture.
Meetings were held to discuss different kinds of seeds, and what type
of crops were the most profitable to grow. This club was called the
Riverhead Town Agricultural Society and was the oldest farm
cooperative group in the United States. When commercially mixed
fertilizers became available the Society acted as purchasing agents
for its members and get bids and contracts for delivery of fertilizer
at the lowest price. In 1872 the society bought a 1 pound bag of
Algiers Cauliflower seed and this is what started the East End to
become the largest growers of Cauliflower east of the Mississippi
River with over 1/3 of Cauliflower grown in the United States in the
Towns of Riverhead and Southold.
In 1896 the
largest shipment done up to that time by the Long Island Express Co.
was 153 barrels of Cauliflower that was shipped to New York
City.
In 1901 a few
farmers formed the Long island Cauliflower Association. The LICA was a
cooperative that would buy cauliflower seed at the lowest price
possible, supplying barrels and later wooden crates to it farmers and
working out reduced shipping cost’s with the LIRR by filling up more
reefers. The LICA had a better system of marketing cauliflower and
have agents in New York City selling the crop.
During harvest
time which was between September and October before any frost the LICA
would have a daily auction both in Riverhead and Southold. Farmers
would line up their wagons filled with special ventilated barrels
allowing air to circulate packed with up to 12 head of cauliflower. It
was up to the farmer once his crop was inspected and given a market
price to decide if he wanted the LICA to purchase his
cauliflower. The LICA would give a receipt to the farmer and it
would be the responsibly of the LICA to sell the crop and pay the
farmer. The cauliflower would be loaded into iced reefers and the LIRR
would run the cars to the city market.
During 1903
the LICA shipped 285,000 barrels of cauliflower, as well as 300
carloads of potatoes. Each year the LIRR would ship to New York
thousands of barrels of pickles, onions, asparagus, cabbage and
cranberries. In a short time period the LIRR would be shipping over a
million bushels of potatoes from the farms of East Hampton and
Southampton. During this time also the LIRR hauled thousands of
bushels of lima beans from farms between Deer Park and Riverhead.
In 1936 the
LIRR shipped 667 reefers of cauliflower and in 1937 there were over
1,054 car loads of cauliflower. These reefers needed to be iced. And
in the age before mechanical refrigeration the typical refrigerator
was heavily insulated with bunkers at each end of the car to hold
blocks of ice. The ice would be loaded into the bunkers through roof
top hatches. To supply ice to these cars in the late 1800’s
up to the manufacture of “artificial” ice Long Islanders during
the early part of the 20th century. East End farmers and fisherman as
well as the rest of communities worked together in the winter time
when ponds, lakes, and rivers were frozen in the task of ice
harvesting. They would cut blocks of ice out of the frozen water using
saws just like the type of saws lumberjacks had. These ice
blocks then would be loaded onto wagons and stored in well insulated
wooden warehouses. The ice would be well packed together with sawdust
and remained frozen throughout the spring and summer and be used for
harvest time. William Sweezy of Riverhead formed the Long Island Ice
company. Overtime the Long Island Ice company would have 7 locations
on Long Island. In 1928 a modern Ice house and warehouse with a
2 car capacity was built in Riverhead. During harvest time the LIRR
leased reefers would be loaded with blocks of ice from the LI Ice
co.
1966
WAS A TIME OF CHANGE ON THE RAILROAD by
Gene Collora “Semaphore” April 1991, pages 5-7
“…1966 was
still a year of considerable freight operation on the LIRR.
Double-ended freights (out one day – back the next) operated 6
days/week to Montauk (L-50), Greenport (L-62), Port Jefferson (L-56),
and Ronkonkoma (L-52). Extras operated during the potato and
cauliflower season and it was not uncommon to have reefers on every
siding east of “KO” – even on the turntable at Greenport. Garden
City/Mitchel Field consignees (Newsday, A&P, etc.) were served by
the L-42 nightly. Meat cars for Flatbush Avenue were delivered via
carfloat to LI City, then handled nightly by the MA-7 and Van Drill to
the meat houses in Brooklyn. Freight traffic between Yard “A”,
Holban yard, Fresh Pond and Bay Ridge was handled by at least 6 or 7
“MA” crews daily around the clock….”
BUCKSHOT - LITTLE TOOT
The new "little locomotive",
with (Marion Casale of the LIRR PR Office) as Dashing Dan chasing
after it at the "METS at LIRR Night" at Shea Stadium. Photo:
LI Railroader 8/11/1966 Archive: Dave Morrison
Pre-Buckshot at LI Fair - Roosevelt Raceway LI Railroader
10/06/1966
Archive: Dave Morrison
Pre-Buckshot - LI Fair at Roosevelt
Raceway 10/1966
Promo sign reads: "Name me and pick your prize -
Get your entry blank here"
Pre-Buckshot - LI Railroader
Christmas issue 12/15/1966
Archive: Dave Morrison
Buckshot at a school c.1967+ Archive: Dave Morrison
Buckshot at Main St., Patchogue Archive: Irene
Williams Vaughn
Buckshot at NY Shea Stadium 7/07/1967
LI Railroader 7/13/1967
Archive: Dave Morrison
Buckshot at NY City Hall 11/30/1967
LI Railroader
Archive: Dave Morrison
Buckshot spotting info:
LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD on tender,
Rectangular Cab Side Windows,
Spoke wheel drivers 1966 prior to naming,
White Drivers - 1967,
Leslie style horn on roof,
Striped Boiler/Smoke Stack,
Solid unit Pilot,
Curved Tender Side
Little Toot with Don Neiss
1968+ Archive:
Dave Morrison
Little Toot spotting info:
MTA Logo on Tender
Arch Cab Windows
Cab Hood Bell
Open Grid Pilot
Headlight Box Striped
Angular Tender Side
Little Toot at Penn Station with
"PUFNSTUF" cartoon character
1968+ Archive:
Dave Morrison
MINI MAIDS - LITTLE
TOOT
Queens Village
Centennial of September 26, 1971 featuring LIRR Little Toot and Mini
Maids
Archive: Dave Morrison
Here's Little Toot up close!
"THAT'S LIRR MINI MAID Jean O'Connell, all
dressed up in a replica of one of the the 375 trash cans that have
been placed on various platforms and station areas, asking commuters
to help keep Long Island clean by depositing their trash in the
receptacles as they leave or enter the trains."
Long Island Metro Lines issue of September 1973 Archive: Dave Morrison
Newsday’s web feature, “Long Island Then
and Now”, I found these ladies “flashin the (patent) leather”
boots in a photo taken by staff photographer Joe Dombroski. The
byline says “1969”, so these “Metro Mini Maids” could’ve
“inspired” Eugene Garfield to dress – in similar attire – his
Auto-Train hostesses, two years later. Info: Edward Frye
Audi and Porsche at an auto show
featuring LIRR Mini Maids
Archive: Dave Morrison
GENERAL PASSENGER
AGENTS - (GPA)
General Passenger Agent (GPA) details are difficult to find documented.
A great deal of the research came from PRR histories, so there may be date errors,
as many of these men held the same position with both the PRR and the LIRR.
Research: Brad Phillips
- Howard Mapes Smith (1848 - 1919+?) was appointed LIRR Traffic Manager 4/2/1888 and later to GPA on 4/12/1901
- P.H. Woodward (tickets printed in the 1920's)
- A.H. Shaw became GPA on 7/1/29
- C.G. Pennington was appointed 9/15/43
- E.R. Comer was appointed 10/16/43 - 1946
- Homes Bannard served 7/1/46 - 12/1/48
- J.F. Finnegan was appointed GPA 12/1/48
- W.P. Eckfeldt
- H.A. Weiss appointed Traffic Manager 12/1/48 (can’t figure out the date overlap with Finnegan and
Edfeldt)
- H.A. Weiss made Passenger Traffic Manager on 3/11/53
- Harold M. Throop - appointed GPA mid-1960’s-1971 retirement; died 4/12/2016.
ROXIE - LIRR MASCOT
Roxie the Dog-Long Island Railroad Mascot c.1910 Postcards - AKA Roxey Archive: Dave Morrison
A
Memorial to Roxey, the Canine Mascot of the Long Island Railroad
Photo: Dana Lewis Archive: Nicole Saraniero 05/25/2018
Roxey
- Archive: Joshua Soren
Roxey was the LIRR's historic
mascot. Roxie's most famous trek was with President Teddy Roosevelt
in his private car. He survived being run over by a train in
Freeport, and suffered a broken leg after being hit by a car. In
that case, the LIRR president paid the vet bills. The dog
passed away in 1914 and was buried next to Sunrise Highway at the
Merrick Station.
You would be hard pressed to
find an unleashed dog roaming the aisles of a Long Island Railroad
train car today (though we don’t think we’d mind it), but 100
years ago a free spirited pup named Roxey ruled the rails. The story
goes that in 1901 a young lady boarding a LIRR train headed towards
Roslyn handed her puppy, a Terrier and Pit bull mix named Roxey, to a
railroad employee. Then, due to some mysterious mix-up en-route, Roxey
and his owner were never reunited at their final destination. The
orphaned puppy spent the next 12 years riding the rails, searching for
his long lost companion. But don’t worry, this is a happy story!
Though Roxey lost his owner, he gained a new family among LIRR staff
and commuters. Dubbed the LIRR’s good-will ambassador, employees
considered it good luck to play host to Roxey when he visited. For the
rest of his life Roxey, would roam the various branches of the train
system with a special travel pass on his collar that was issued by
LIRR President Ralph Peters. Once it was completed in 1910, Roxey
would often disembark at Penn Station where he would be greeted by
railroad employees and treated to a hardy meal.
One time, Roxey even got to ride with a U.S. President! Theodore
Roosevelt often took the LIRR to his home at Sagamore Hill and on one
journey found Roxey in his car. Rather than kick the mutt out,
Roosevelt let the dog stay with him for the whole ride from Long
Island City to Oyster Bay. Not surprising given Roosevelt’s love for
animals
In 1914 Roxey passed away peacefully at the Merrick Station where he
is remembered with a special headstone donated by a group of female
commuters in 1915. You can still pay your respects to Roxey at his
memorial below the train tracks, it can be found south of the station
building near Sunrise Highway. A water bowl built into the memorial is
often filled with flowers.
In 2010 Roxey became the star of his own book, “Miles of Smiles: The
Story of Roxey, the Long Island Rail Road Dog” by Long Island author
Heather Worthington and illustrator Bill Farnsworth. The book was
celebrated with a special ceremony and signing at Penn Station. At the
ceremony, Mrs. Barbara Keefe’s first grade class from the Trinity
Regional School in East Northport, winners of the railroad’s annual
school safety contest, were given signed copies of the book. There was
even a Roxey look-alike, from Little Shelter in Huntington, named
Lemon. Info: Bill Faller
Miles of Smiles: The Story of
Roxey, the Long Island Rail Road Dog by
Heather Hill-Worthington
Mineola Station Statue - Bessica Raiche and Roxie - Photo/Archive:
Dave Morrison - Railpace July, 2023
END OF BAR CARTS
End of Bar carts
3/26/2018 MTA/LIRR
NY POST March 17, 2018
It’s last call for alcohol on the Long Island Rail Road.
The eight bar carts that ply suburban commuters with rush-hour booze are going the way of the Harvey Wallbanger, The Post has learned. Come March 27, the five carts on the platforms at Penn Station, along with one each at the Jamaica, Atlantic Terminal and Hunterspoint Avenue stops, will disappear.
“These are the last of the bar carts on any part of the MTA system,” agency board member Mitchell Pally told The Post on Saturday.
“I do not think we should be serving alcohol,” Pally said. “I’ve been saying this for 12 years, ever since I got on the board.”
One mixologist, Jim Ferragamo, posted a sign thanking his customers. "It has been a pleasure creating friendships and getting to know all of you. I take pride in knowing that I was able to bring some relief and joy on even the most hectic days. Thank you all for your support and generosity,” it read.
“I’ve had 20 great years,” said Track 19 bartender Dave Telehany, who shook hands and accepted condolences from longtime customers. “Some of these people are part of my family. I’ve been to christenings, communions. One of my customer’s daughters babysits my kids.”
Eyewitness
News Monday, March 19, 2018 (WABC)
The MTA is phasing out its bar carts on Long Island Rail Road
platforms, its final train service to lose the track-side alcohol
service. Five bar carts at Penn Station, along with one each at the
Jamaica Station, Atlantic Terminal and Hunterspoint Avenue, will end
March 27. Bar cars were eliminated for Metro North at Grand Central
back in December 2016.
The MTA released this statement:
"This service was subject to various reviews that led us to
conclude that it's not our core competency and that we should stay
focused on providing safe and reliable transportation. Other retailers
meet this market." The decision was made with little public
notification. The bartenders began telling their customers on Friday
afternoon. It didn't even come up in Monday morning's LIRR Committee
meeting. There was apparently too much other material to discuss.
Officials say the employees, some who have worked on the platforms for
decades, will transfer to train maintenance jobs.
End
of The Line for LIRR Platform Bar Carts - Long Island Press by
Timothy Bolger March 20, 2018
The Long Island Rail Road’s platform-level bar carts are leaving the
station as the last call comes March 27 for commuters who order
last-second adult beverages before boarding their evening rush-hour
trains.
Riders will still be able to purchase beer, wine and mixed drinks in
Penn Station and imbibe while riding the rails, but once the bar carts
dry up, gone will be the last vestige of the LIRR’s bar cars that
were phased out in the 1980s. The Metropolitan Transportation
Authority confirmed the news, which was first reported by the New York
Post.
“This service was subject to various reviews that led us to conclude
that it’s not our core competency and that we should stay focused on
providing safe and reliable transportation,” MTA spokesman Aaron
Donovan said in a statement. “Other retailers meet this market.”
The MTA has operated eight bar carts on platforms for decades — five
in Penn and one each at the Jamaica, Atlantic Terminal and
Hunterspoint Avenue stations. The MTA reportedly put Grand Central
Station’s track-side bar carts on ice last year following an audit
of the cash-only operations.
The latest move comes after the LIRR banned booze on midnight to 5
a.m. on Friday and Saturday night trains beginning in 2012. According
to more than 100 Twitter users that took the unofficial @LIRRstats
poll, 37 percent said they’re “very sad” about the news, 19
percent had no opinion, 17 percent were glad the carts are going away
and 27 percent said: “I’ll just buy elsewhere.”
“I love my job,” one of the bartenders told The Post. “I’m a
people person. And now I’m going to be cleaning train cars.”
Riders were not pleased to hear the LIRR’s platform bar cart days
have reached the end of the line.
“That’s not good,” one rider told WABC-TV before chugging a can
of Budweiser. “It’s the one thing I enjoy coming to this miserable
concrete jungle.”
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I liked the LIRR “bar cars”
(ex-B&M American Flyer coaches converted) best. Always a blast on
evening trips when the cars were packed and everyone was enjoying the
end of the work day. All the cups, glasses, etc. had the Dashing Dan
logos. Brad Phillips- LIRR Extra Clerk 1963
Every attendant with a cart managed quite well on
the M1 cars. The bar cars were much more convenient to work as opposed to the unwieldy stainless steel carts loaded up with bags of ice,
cases of soda and beer as well as multiple boxes of little liquor bottles, jars of olives and jars of cherries plus loose lemons and limes!
Back in 1973-74, we were forbidden to sell drinks on the platform. Some guys took a chance and sold, but I never did.
And the article is incorrect concerning incompatibility of carts with M1 cars. We had no problem lashing our carts to the short seat section adjacent to the vestibule.
Dave
Keller, Special Services Attendant 1973
117
YEARS OF LIRR RAILROADING - THE FARMER'S TRAINS
A follow-up letter in the LI Railroader
November 1953 discussing operations in the late Fall of 1892.
Archive: Dave Morrison
Long Island Railroader magazine- October, 1953 -
"117 years of Long Island Railroading" discussing the
Farmer's Trains as early Piggyback Operations Archive: Dave
Morrison
LIRR "PIONEERING PIGGYBACKING"
Canadian Pacific Spanner magazine - 5/1958 Archive: Dave Morrison
Farm wagons on the Gondolas
Embarking
So much better than the old way - Reluctant Passengers
Railroad Magazine - "Along the
Iron Pike" Piggyback cartoon 11/1970
Joe Easley Archive: Dave Morrison
Harper’s Weekly January, 31 1885
Page 78
Note: - The leaving time from the eastern
terminus should have been 3:30 A.M. Research: Dave
Morrison
LONG ISLAND PRODUCE BY RAIL - Harper’s Weekly
January, 31 1885 Page 69 Archive: Univiversity of Michigan Volume XXIX,
No. 1467 Drawn by W. P. Bodfish
DATER STAMPER
Aurora Dater Stamper c. 1960
Aurora Dater Stamper- Die Wheel c.1960
The lettering "Long Island Stamp" on the
side was the company that they were purchased from, not the manufacture.
It does not indicate that the dater was used
on the LIRR or in the Jamaica ticket.
In my years of hanging around
and eventually working at Jamaica ticket, I don’t recall ever seeing
this style of dater being used. It’s POSSIBLE that such a machine was
used in Jamaica prior to 1960 of course. I have several LIRR dies that fit
this style of machine but they’re very old and are from line stations.'
Brad Phillips
This
was an old Aurora model used up until the late 70's/80's. Then we
used a dater made by Ajax that was a piece of crap and went to one
made by Cosmo. The problem with the Auroras was the year wheel
couldn't go high enough and they had to be replaced. Kevin Fehn
Aurora Dater Stamper - Photo: Brad
Phillips
Dater Die stamp - Far Rockaway - Nameoke
Ave
Archive: Dave Keller
The dates on the Cosmo and Aurora daters were
arranged horizontally. Brad Phillips
Aurora Dater Stamper front - Photo: Brad
Phillips
Dater Die plates - Aurora Dater - Woodmere Ticket Office
Archive: Kevin Fehn
Aurora Dater Die Impressions -
Archive: Brad Phillips
The dater (validator) that is shown, above left, is
an old Aurora model that was used from the early 1900's up until the
late 70s or early 80s. The later Cosmo daters replaced the Ajax daters. The Ajax daters
were purchased to replace the Auroras when the year wheel couldn't hit
the new dates. The Ajax daters had a slide insert for your IBM number.
They were crap and didn't hold up. The worse part was an auditor won
the suggestion award for the Ajax. They were a pain to work with. Kevin Fehn
Hills Centennial Dater front - Archive: Brad
Phillips
This is the dater used for the round
dies, dates arranged vertically. Archive: Brad Phillips
Ah, the
memories … All these daters were very
sturdy machines. I never saw one break down and many I used were
very old. These things took a real beating over time. Just
think, for example, the number of tickets issued at NY Penn. I
have tickets issued with the same die decades apart. Of course,
they eventually wore down. The great 1960’s die replacement
was a result of years with no new dies.
Many clerks,
most probably, would wait forever to change the inked ribbon and,
thus, the die impressions were often very light to non-readable.
They did not pay too much attention to where the impression was put on
the ticket so many, many tickets had missing station names, dates,
etc.
Over time the
die would cake up with ink and the impression became unreadable.
Cleaning was a mess: toothbrush or wire brush with soap and water (or
toothpaste which was very effective) was used to clean them.
Your fingers were then blue for the next day or two!
The dies were
locked up with the cash in the safe. If big enough, the entire
machine and die were stored there. If not, the die was removed
and the dater left on the counter.
The “dater die” on the above
right, without a numeral, is the old die which was replaced with the
die having the number 1. When the railroad started getting rid
of all the old Hills Centennial daters (which required periodic
replacement of the year wheel) and dies in the early 1960’s they
retired many old Aurora dies that had significant wear from use.
Thus, many stations saw old Aurora square dies replaced with new ones
having the die numbers. So even if a station, like Woodmere, had
only one die they still put the number 1 in the lower corners.
Unfortunately,
I don’t have a ticket issued at Woodmere even though I worked a
(single) Monday morning rush hour there. As there was only one
dater, the clerk had pre-stamped a large pile of weekly tickets which
I sold at the second ticket window while he handled any one ways along
with weeklies. I never went back to get a validated ticket for
my collection. Oh well. Brad Phillips
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One thing I
can add about the daters is that the regular clerks would never change
the ribbon. They would leave a note or the extra would see that you
could barely read the impression and they would have to change the
ribbon. That was a pain since you would get ink all over your hands
and eventually your shirt (pastel colored of course).
After working a few stations, I said enough is enough, I would rewind
the ribbon and then ink it using the bottle of ink and brush we used
for the ink pads. When the regular clerk came back, he would have to
change it out.
Cosmo Dater Stamper c.1990 Archive: Kevin Fehn
The order of usage:
Hills Centennial,
Cosmo,
Aurora,
Ajax,
Rapidprint
Cosmo Dater Stamper Front c.1990 Archive: Kevin Fehn
Cosmo Dater Stamper and ticket case
LIRR Farmingdale 6/1972
Photos/Archive: Dave Keller
Cosmo Dater Stamper Date Wheel c.1990 Archive: Kevin Fehn
After a busy day at Jamaica
with some overtime thrown in you could really feel the pain in
your stamping hand! Brad Phillips
No KIDDING! After my first Monday of the month at Farmingdale
where I posted, I thought my hand was going to fall off . . . and
they had an old tennis ball over the top of the dater. Not all
ticket offices had that assist! I had dreams all that night that I
was stamping tickets and woke up the next morning exhausted! Dave
Keller
“Case”
refers to the cabinet from which tickets are sold, not bulk storage of
tickets which was usually in locked cabinets or, for the terminal
stations, in a separate room. The case can be stationary, on a
counter for example (the most common situation), or moveable on wheels
as is common in the large terminal stations.
At the
terminal stations, sellers usually had an assigned window location but
that could vary from time to time based on crowd demands. The die
number did not refer to any particular selling location, but could at
line stations. E.g., at Amityville dies #1 and #2 sold from a single
window even though a second window was available. At Massapequa, die
#1 and die #2 sold at different window positions consistently.
Cosmo LIRR
dater die NY Penn, Case #42 (right photo is mirrored to view
impression) Archive: Dave Morrison
Depending on the size of the station, dies could be assigned to a
specific ticket case (e.g., NYP, Jamaica) or to a specific ticket
seller (e.g., Amityville), or randomly as in the case of extra clerks
on short assignment. NY Penn once had dies numbered as high as 3
digits but did not have nearly that many ticket cases. When I sold
tickets at Amityville on the relief job there was only one ticket case
but my die was #2.
The die you
sent (#42) had really seen some heavy use and appears unusable at this
point due to the damaged metal in the center (where the date wheels on
the dater go). These dies would be used on Cosmo daters, such as
shown on your site. This style of die came into use in the 70’s (no
border, “LIRR” on the sides, and the station name at top and bottom).
My time selling tickets ended in 1973 and I never saw or used dies of
that style. I personally don’t care for this style from an aesthetic
perspective (didn’t know dater dies could be considered art, did
you?!!). I miss the old round or square dies with railroad name on
the top and station name on the bottom. Of course, hand stamp daters
are no longer used with the coming of electronic ticket issuing.
(After a busy day at Jamaica with some overtime thrown in you could
really feel the pain in your stamping hand!) Info: Brad Phillips
From what I remember the Ajax stampers, they did
not last long - 1980 to 1982 was the period. I do recall that some
stamps included the seller's IBM number in that short time span and I
believe that some did not want their employee number openly used in
that manner.
The LIRR went with the Rapidprint Electric Stamper (below) beginning
in 1995 resulting from a suit by an employee that got carpal tunnel in
their forearms from repeated motion of stamping tickets. The Cosmo
stamps had the MTA logo and did not have LIRR as all previous stamps
had. RMLI has one of these stampers along with a few of the die stamp
plates used. Mike McEnaney
The photo of the electric dater
shows the right side that is opened with the key visible to change the
date or adjust the ribbon by hand. On the front of the machine above
it reads RAPIDPRINT. The brass insert plate that it has reads 29 PENN
STATION 29 with the MTA logo. The plate has a
serial number that is embossed on the back near the ring which reads
00873.
The insert plates are slid in
under the two screws visible on the upper side and the notch on the
plate helps holds it in place. On the front lower "lip" partially
visible is the suppliers name and phone number. On the back is a plate
affixed with the manufacturer's name and model information.
Info: Mike McEnaney
The two brass strips are the official
validators. Each morning before using this machine one would be
inserted into the slot under the two screws. The strip had the station
name and the MTA logo on it and if a ticket was stamped with the
proper date, but not this information it was not valid for
transportation.
Info: Martin Quinn
LIRR Wax Remittance Sealer -
F22 Edgemere Station
Photo/Collection: Kevin Fehn
This is a wax deposit seal. You melted the wax on the flap of the deposit envelope and used
the
sealer stamp. There were a few stations left still using this when I started in
1972. Nostrand,
East, NY and Cedarhurst or Hewlett were the others. Info: Kevin Fehn
This is a wax sealer used in
most line stations to seal special remittance envelopes. This was
before the LIRR developed relationships with local banks for night
deposits around 1965. You would prepare a deposit slip for the day’s
receipts (cash and checks) and put the lot in a thick remittance
envelope and seal ‘er up. A designated train with a messenger would
pick up the envelopes along the line and the envelopes were delivered
to Jamaica (at least where I assumed they wound up). I dealt with both
methods. I liked the train pickup best as going to the bank night
drop, by yourself, was risky as some thief could easily accost you as
often the streets around the back were deserted late in the day. Info:
Brad Phillips
In addition to the LIRR Stations
having this type, the Express Companies had their own, as well, with
the name of the company and the station name both spelled out. For
example: LI Express at Montauk (VERY old), Adams Express at
Central Islip, and Adams Express at Holtsville (below). In the case of
the L. I. Express sealer, the number 115 was the station number based
upon mileage from LI City. The remittance envelopes (front and back
views, above) belong to an acquaintance of mine who only wants to be
identified as "Yard Dog."
REMITTANCES:
Remittance in cash was sent via express messenger. Years back it was most likely the Long Island Express Company. The cash would be placed in a heavy envelope, sealed, and large needle with heavy thread/twine shoved through the cash remittance to keep anyone along the way from sneaking one or two bills out of the batch without cutting the string.
Sealing wax sticks were heated with a candle and the wax dripped on
the closure. The agent would take the wax sealer, spit on the surface
and push it into the hot wax, creating the envelope seal embossed with
the metal wax sealer of the specific station. This procedure was explained by George G. Ayling, Agent/operator at CI who, back in 1909, started his LIRR career as an express messenger at
Brentwood (photo below). Photos/Archive/Research: Dave Keller
Cash
remittances were made by the railroad for ticket sales and express
charges. Two wax sealers were used at a ticket agency: one marked
"Long Island Rail Road" or "L.I.R.R." with the station identification
number on the sealer (the number matched the closest milepost marker
to the station) and another marked with the name of the express agency
in service at the time along with the station name. This wax sealer
was used at the Holtsville station along the LIRR's Main Line at a
time when the Adams Express Company was the firm contracted by the
LIRR to carry their express. The Adams Express Company became the
American Railway Express Company in 1918 and the ticket agency was
closed at Holtsville in January, 1959. (Morrison-Keller)
Two Long Island Express messengers, George G. Ayling (on the platform) and another unidentified, are working at an old wooden express car at Brentwood station in 1909. Some way-stations had express employees on duty. At other stations the duties were handled by the station staff. In addition to loading and off loading express, cash remittances were made up by the station staff for express charges, freight charges and ticket sales and were then placed under the watchful eye of express messengers who rode the express cars until the cash packet reached its destination.
Info/Archive: Dave Keller
Adams Express wax sealer - Deer Park Station
E. U. Brooks & Co., NY
Deer Park Station wax
sealer used along the LIRR's Main Line at a time when the Adams
Express Company was the firm contracted by the LIRR to carry their
express 1913- July 1, 1918. Info: Dave Keller
EXPRESS SERVICES
Corwin &
Munsell Express 1858 - 1868
United States Express Co. ?
Westcott’s Long Island Express c. 1869 - 1882
Dodd’s Express 1882
Long Island Express Co., created by the LIRR, handled local baggage
and express shipments. 1882 - 1913
Adams Express Co., a nation-wide concern, took over
L. I. Express and allowed through-express service to the nation.
1913- July 1, 1918
American Railway Express Co. was created during WWI
by the United States Railroad Administration (USRA)
which nationalized the express businesses of Adams Express Co,
American Express Co., Southern Express
Co.
and Wells, Fargo & Co. Express. (Federal
administration ended in 1920). July 1, 1918-March/1929
American Railway Express Co. was transferred to
the Railway Express Agency (REA) which was owned
and operated by 86 American railroads.
March/1929 Research: Dave Keller
NY&QC - NEW YORK AND
QUEENS COUNTY TRANSIT
- STEINWAY LINES
NY&QT/NY&QC Railway - Woodside Car House, General Offices and Repair Shop c.1890's
Archive: Frank Pfuhler
Originally
the NY & Queens County Railway Co., dating back to the 1890s, the
company ran trolleys along Northern Blvd. to and from the Woodside car
house and then westward along Borden Avenue to the LIRR terminal at LI
City, south to Calvary Cemetery via Borden Ave. and private
right-of-way, ending at Metropolitan Ave., north to Flushing,
northwest to the College Point ferry via Strong's Causeway (College
Point Causeway), east-west along Northern Blvd. crossing the Flushing
River, then continuing east crossing the LIRR's Whitestone branch at
Flushing, Bridge St. station. The line then continued further east,
turning south onto a series of private rights-of-way thru Kissena
Park, Flushing Cemetery, St. Mary's Cemetery, to a block south of
160th St. in Jamaica. Back in the day, 160th St. was considered the
"heart" of Jamaica. The trolley company reorganized in
1928 and became the NY & Queens Transit.
The NY&QC / NY&QT had its general offices with twin towers and
a huge car house/yard along Northern Blvd. in Woodside. The NY Connecting
Railroad was constructed behind this facility.
There was a major fire at the car house in June, 1930 when a major
portion of it burned down, destroying a great deal of not only
NY&QT trolley cars, but a good number of those of the Steinway
Lines which shared space at the car house. (The Steinway Lines were
originally owned by the NY&QC, but were later purchased by the
Third Avenue Railway System which operated both Steinway Lines cars
and Third Avenue Railway System cars to Astoria, L. I. City and into
Manhattan via the Queensborough bridge.) The remaining car house was
still fairly large after the fire of June 24, 1930 and the portion that was
destroyed was used as an open-air yard (see photos
below). For some reason the tracks
east of the Woodside car house were severed and to keep a continuous
route in service, NY&QT cars operated on a short segment of
Steinway Lines track as a result of mutual agreement on the part of
both companies: Steinway Lines cars used the NY&QT car house and
yard.
The final end came on October 30, 1937 when the last run was made
along the Calvary Cemetery Line with a crowd of dignitaries, riders
and trolley fans in attendance, after which the trolley car making the
run was ceremonially burned and all the NY&QT lines replaced with
buses. Some of the private rights-of-way were paved and became
streets. The Steinway Lines survived a short while longer, operating
into 1939, at which time their cars were returned to the Third Ave.
Railway System, the parent company. Research: Dave Keller
- LIRR Historian
Map #5
NY&QC Railway - - Woodside Car House 3/19/1929
Archive: Frank Pfuhler
NY&QT logo as stenciled on the
streetcars 1/05/1936
Archive: Dave Keller
Map #6
NY&QC tracks on the Flushing
Creek Bridge View E 10/24/1902
Archive: Dave Keller
Map #3 NY&QC Car
#217 on Newtown Rd., Woodside view SE c.1900
Car barn is visible in the left background Archive: Dave Keller
Map #7
NY&QC tracks at the LIRR Flushing
Station
View N Kissena Blvd. and Main Street 6/25/1912
Archive: Dave Keller
Note: Sign on the bridge
reads: "Driving over this bridge faster than a walk is forbidden under
penalty of the law. Trolley cars must go slow."
NY&QC map c.1928 Calvary Cemetery
Line by Bernie Linder
(S. Meyers-Dave Keller)
NY&QC map, by Bernie Linder, showing the Flushing-Jamaica and
Woodside/Northern Blvd. lines with connection to the College Point Ferry
c.1928 prior to the 1932 reorganization of the company. (S. Meyers-Dave Keller)
Steinway Lines map, by Bernie Linder c.1928
(S. Meyers-Dave Keller)
Map #8 NY&QT Car #25 at College Point
3/03/1935
Archive: Dave Keller
Map #9
NY&QT Car #17 private ROW near
Horace Harding
Blvd., Flushing -View N 1/21/1936 Archive:
Dave Keller
Map #2
NY&QT Car House and yard from the NY Connecting RR embankment.
Woodside - Summer 1937
Archive: Dave Keller
Map #10
NY&QT Car #1 on Metropolitan Ave., LI City end of the line
1/05/1936 -
Archive:: Dave Keller
Map #11 NY&QT Car #24 northbound from
Jamaica on private ROW crossing Booth Memorial Ave. at St. Mary's
Cemetery, Flushing 1937 - View SE
Note: After the line shut down to trolley service late in 1937, the private right-of-way became 164th St.
- Research/Archive:: Dave Keller
Map #4
Steinway Lines Birney Car #1681--Outside-Car-Barn-Northern Blvd. and
Woodside Ave., Woodside - View NE in 1938 Archive:: Dave Keller
New York & Queens Transit Co.
Lines (NY&QT)
Originally the line from
Flushing to the Woodside Car barn and continuing on to Bridge Plaza
and then to the LIRR Ferry was known as the Jackson Ave line. When
NY&QC and Steinway were separated, the line was split at the car
barn. I’m not sure what the NY&QC portion was called after that; a
logical name would have been Northern Blvd, but it might also be
called the Woodside Line (see below),
but not Woodside Ave. The Steinway portion continued to be called
Jackson Ave.
One other Steinway line ended at the car barn; the Broadway line, on
that and other streets from the ferry terminal in Astoria to the car
barn. See the Linder map of Steinway (Meyers, p. 102). That first
Seyfried book gets so tangled up in the financial and political side
of the story that it’s hard to find operational details!
I think the real meeting point of the three lines in Flushing could be
considered as the intersection of Main St and Northern Blvd.
Then the Jamaica line would run south from there. The College
Point and Northern Blvd lines would run west together as far as
Lawrence St, where the College Pt line would turn north. Although
the Jamaica and College Point lines were through-routed at various
times, they might better be described separately. As you say, a car
bound for Jamaica might have come from Flushing or from College Point.
A westbound car on the Northern Blvd line at Lawrence St would be
headed toward Woodside, having come from Flushing. An eastbound car
of that line would carry the destination Flushing. A car coming from
College Point, eastbound at that location might show the destination
either Flushing or Jamaica. Seyfried (pages 37 and 39) indicates that
cars from College point were run west on the Corona line (see 5 below)
to connect with the IRT Corona line instead of going into Flushing.
In that case, there must have also been a connection from College
Point to downtown Flushing, perhaps be cars through-routed to Jamaica.
A car going either direction on Northern Blvd between Lawrence St and
Main St might be on the Northern Blvd-Woodside line, or on the College
Point line. Even if it was through-routed between College Pt. and
Jamaica, I think it should be considered as on the College Point
line.
NY&QC also had another line between Flushing and the Woodside car
barn, which was known as the Corona line, and sometimes as the
Woodside Line. The
detailed routing is on Seyfried's book page 14. This was
abandoned in two sections, the last on Oct 29, 1925, so it does not
appear on the Linder map (Meyers, p. 23). See page 40 in Seyfried.
Note: Jackson Ave mentioned there is Northern Blvd. West of Flushing
Bridge, the line ran southwestward on nearly a mile of trestle across
the meadows. This line left two vestiges that I remember seeing,
perhaps into the 1950’s. The realigned LIRR through Woodside crossed
the trolley twice. At 61st St, at the west end of Woodside station,
the RR went over the trolley, and trolley wire boards remained on the
underside of the LIRR bridge. At Woodside Ave, east of the station,
the trolley ran on Woodside Ave which crossed over the LIRR, and there
was a steel trolley wire pole visible on the bridge.
Research:
Henry Raudenbush
Ref:
The New York & Queens County
Railway and The Steinway Lines 1867-1939 by Vincent F. Seyfried,
1950 Lost Trolleys of Queens
and Long Island by Stephen L. Meyers, 2006
Third Ave Railway Cars at Steinway Lines -
Totals by Car Type
Type
1922
1923
1924
1925
1926
1927
1928
1929
1930
1931
1932
1933
1934
1935
1936
1937
1938
1940
1941
1948
ex-Battery
7
7
Convertibles
25
25
25
25
31
33
36
36
6
6
6
6
11
11
11
11
11
28ft Box
18
18
40
46
8
8
8
1
13
13
25ft Box ex-B&QT
30
30
30
7
7
7
7
7
7
7
Semi-Convertibles
21
21
17
Birney Safety Car
26
29
25
25
25
25
25
25
25
ex-Manh Bridge 3c line
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
6
5
Total
32
50
43
65
77
71
74
74
50
73
69
65
53
53
53
59
59
10
6
5
Average Age
12.9
15.9
17.9
18.6
19.4
22.9
23.7
24.7
15.6
18.8
20.1
20.7
20.1
21.1
22.1
20.9
21.9
21.6
25.5
33.4
Note: Some
of the cars were stenciled "Third Ave. Ry. System" and others were
stenciled "Steinway Lines."
Map #1
Steinway Lines yard - Cars: 529, 1671, 1669, 12, et al. View SW from
Northern Blvd., Woodside on 8/22/1939. Note: This yard was all under
roof prior to the disastrous fire of 6/24/1930. NYCRR overpass in the
background. Research/Archive: Dave Keller
The Woodside Carbarn By John A. Roberts Published:
The Juniper Berry
December 4, 2020
Trolleys were
not Jay Gatsby’s speed as he raced his yellow roadster along
Northern Blvd. past a cathedral-like structure with imposing twin
spires. The Cathedral-like structure was the Woodside carbarn.
The Woodside carbarn, located at the
southeast corner of Woodside Avenue and Northern Blvd, was built
by the New York & Queens County Railway at a cost of $150,000. The
New York & Queens County, about to acquire Steinway Lines Railway
in 1896, was in need of carbarn facilities with enough space to
house trolleys of both New York & Queens County and Steinway
Lines. The Woodside carbarn was the largest carbarn in Queens.
When the New York & Queens County and
Steinway Lines Railway (reorganized as the New York & Queens
Railway), went bankrupt in 1922, and lost control of the Steinway
Lines, the Woodside carbarn continued to house Trolleys of both
New York & Queens and Steinway Lines. An oddity of that
arrangement was that the Calvary Cemetery Line, (now MTA Q67 bus),
not directly connected to other New York & Queens routes, thus
needed permission from its Former subsidiary, Steinway Lines, to
use its tracks for carbarn moves.
Map #5 Photo:
Woodside Carbarn 1937 - William J. Rugen
The
Woodside Carbarn Fire
On June
24, 1930, a disastrous fire occurred at the Woodside carbarn
(below). The blaze broke out during the night and caused
tremendous damage. One Steinway Lines revenue car #629, plus one
workcar, were destroyed. Photo: NY&QC Carbarn c.1890's
- General Offices fire view SE indicates the portion that was
destroyed by the fire (see red rectangle).
Archive: Frank Pfuhler - Fire Annotation: Dave Keller
The New York & Queens suffered far more
damage: 24 of the older wooden ‘300’ series cars, and 10 of the
modern Birney Safety Cars were destroyed along with some others.
The whole east end of the carbarn had been gutted out and beyond
repair (below, left). The blackened wall was torn down and what
was once an enclosed space was made into an open space. The fire
crippled New York & Queens lines as only 25 cars were left to
maintain service. In its dire need, New York & Queens rented cars
from the Jamaica Central Railway and the Department of Plant
structures. By a stroke of good luck, 2 newly bought cars from the
defunct Auburn & Syracuse Railway lying in the yard waiting for
painting, escaped unscathed. The New York & Queens pressed these
cars into service the very next morning with their old colors and
numbers unchanged. Without these cars the New York & Queens could
not have maintained service.
Looked at from the perspective of years
the carbarn fire was not a complete disaster. Thirty-eight of the
burnt-out cars were old and worn and due for replacement anyway.
The fire hastened the process and helped the riding public get
newer and faster equipment. The New York & Queens sustained barely
any financial losses, for the insurance on the burnt cars came to
$104,483, a big sum that came in handy for buying equipment and
roadbed materials.
From
Carbarn to Shopping Center
With the coming of the automobile and the
development of a practical motor coach by the thirties, the days
of trolley operators in Queens as well as elsewhere were numbered.
Jamaica Central Railway in central Queens converted to Jamaica
Buses in 1933. On October 3, 1937, old #332 made the final
run on the Calvary Line, then was taken to the Woodside carbarn,
where it was soaked in gasoline and set on fire to the sound of
Taps. Thus old #332, as well as New York & Queens Railway trolley
service went out in a blaze of glory.
Orange-and-cream Queens-Nassau Transit
buses (a New York & Queens subsidiary) replaced the trolleys. The
year 1939 marked the end of trolleys being housed in the Woodside
carbarn when Steinway Lines replaced its trolleys with
orange-and-cream Steinway Omnibus buses. The former Woodside
carbarn soldiered on as a bus garage for Queens-Nassau Transit
until 1957, when it moved its bus facilities to College Point and
became Queens Transit. At the same time Steinway Omnibus became
Steinway Transit and also moved to College Point.
Today, the site of the former Woodside
carbarn is occupied by the Tower Square shopping center. The front
facade of the former carbarn with its imposing twin spires has
been preserved as the front entrance to the shopping center.
Sadly, the Maspeth Depot didn’t enjoy a similar fate, being
obliterated by the LIE in 1952.
Archive: Frank Pfuhler
Tower Square, Woodside view SE - Remains of
ex-NY&QC
Car House 2024
100th ANNIVERSARY OF
GARDEN CITY STATION - LIST MEETING
December 1998
Garden City Station 100th Anniversary LIST Meeting
12/02/1998
Photo: Dave Morrison
Garden City Station original historic1898 fireplace
Photo: Dave Morrison
Garden City Station renovated fireplace 10/15/2016
Photo: Dave Morrison
The LIRR
Historical Society meet at the Garden City Station to celebrate its
100th Anniversary. The persons in the photograph are as follows:
Seated, left to right: Cathy Torborg, Vince Seyfried, Janet Merola,
Arthur (Buzz) Lubitz and (?)
Standing, left to right: Steve Torborg, Dave Morrison, Jim Muhr, Bill
Sellerberg, Paul Christiana, Bob Teed, Carl Dimino, Sam Berliner III,
and (?)
LIRR M-9
MTA/LIRR M9 #9001 10/2017
LIRR # 9001 Kawasaki Heavy Industries - Hyogo Works, Japan
2016
M-9 Engineer Cab 2016
M-9 Pilot Car Interior
Cab forward 2016
M-9 Pilot Car Interior
- Rear view 2016
M-9 Procurement Milestones
Look Ahead
Photos/Resource: MTA/LIRR
RMLI - 9/11 MEMORIAL
MURALS ON LIRR CARS
Ex-RPO (Baggage Mail Car) #7737
Memorial Mural September 11, 2016 RMLI,
Riverhead
P72 #2924
Memorial Mural September 11, 2016
RMLI, Riverhead
P72 #2924
Memorial Mural September 11, 2017
RMLI, Riverhead
This art work was done on
September 9, 2016 by a group of accomplished NYC artists that began
their early careers as graffiti taggers and painters. The idea
for this artwork was proposed by a Long Island artist and musician,
Patrick Voorhees, early in 2016. He wanted to do something to
remember those lost on 9-11 and to give the artists the opportunity to
create and work in a safe space that would be appreciated. Six
past and present Board members of the Museum had been directly
involved with 9-11 as residents/workers or first-responders so there
was great interest in what Patrick was offering. A plan was
developed and both the RPO #7737 and P-72 #2924 were decorated with
memorial murals. Both cars received full coats of livery paint
before the artwork was applied to the north side of the cars.
The south sides, facing the mainline and Riverhead Station, are
painted in LIRR livery, you have to enter the RMLI licensed property
to see the artworks.
Initially, Patrick planned to come each year and create new memorial
murals on both cars and hold a memorial/celebration of life
ceremony. In 2017, I suggested to Patrick not to paint over the
#7737 car as the mural is so moving, beautiful and poignant. He
agreed and we only painted P-72 #2924, I've attached images of the
2016 issue and the 2017 issue of that artwork, (2016 has the Statue of
Liberty to the right of the car).
The presentation and artwork has been praised by the local fire and
police departments, LIRR workers and MTA Police and many local
residents who come and take pictures of the memorials. It is
good work, we "Never Forget" and the cars are kept in a
fresh coat of paint to protect them from further deterioration in our
moist, salt-air environment. Don Fisher - President RMLI (Railroad
Museum of Long Island)
Westbury - Post Avenue Bridge replacement
MTA
Board Approves Project to Rebuild LIRR Bridge at Post Avenue in
Westbury - November
16, 2016
The Metropolitan Transportation
Authority (MTA) Board has approved a contract for the design and
construction of a new bridge carrying the Long Island Rail Road tracks
over Post Avenue at the Westbury LIRR station.
The new bridge will replace a deteriorated span that has been in
service for 102 years. The new span would be safer for vehicular
traffic, meeting the latest standards and requirements of the New York
State Department of Transportation. The rebuilt bridge will increase
the clearance to 14 feet above the roadway, a full two feet and two
inches higher than the current clearance of 11 feet, 10 inches.
The increase in clearance is expected to improve train service by
reducing the number of instances in which over-height trucks strike
the bridge, which can result in train delays for thousands of LIRR
customers. The bridge has been struck by trucks between five and nine
times per year in each of the past six years.
The contract was packaged as a “design-build” contract, a type of
contract that Governor Andrew M. Cuomo has asked the MTA to use
whenever possible to reduce the length of time it takes to complete
construction projects. Under this type of contract, the same firm that
designs a project also builds it to the specifications it has
designed.
LIRR President Patrick A. Nowakowski said: “With the award of this
contract, we’re working to improve Main Line train service with a
modern bridge with a higher clearance that will reduce bridge strikes,
and the train delays that can result. And by using the design-build
contracting method, we’re doing this in the most efficient, and
fastest way possible.”
The contract for the Post Avenue bridge reconstruction was awarded to
Halmar International Inc., an engineering and construction concern
based in Nanuet, N.Y. There were four other major competitors
answering a Request for Proposals, which was issued by the railroad in
August. After careful analysis of all the proposals, an LIRR deemed
Halmar’s offer the best from both a technical perspective and price.
Halmar’s proposal of $9.7 million was $1.6 million below the LIRR’s
cost estimate for the project. LIRR officials said the reconstruction
work would require one weekend train service outage on the Main Line ,
projected for October 2017.
The railroad has carefully managed similar weekend service suspension,
most recently for the demolition and reconstruction of the Ellison
Avenue Bridge along the same route in Westbury and the replacement of
the Colonial Road Bridge on the Port Washington Branch near Great Neck
station.
Under terms of the contract, the LIRR and Halmar have set a goal of
having 17 percent of the subcontracting work performed by
minority-owned, woman-owned and disadvantaged business enterprises, an
initiative that Governor Cuomo has made a priority for state agencies
as well as the operating agencies of the MTA.
In addition to improving conditions for LIRR customers, motorists and
truckers, the new bridge will also be able to accommodate a third Main
Line track, in line with other infrastructure improvements in the
corridor over the years and also in line with Governor Cuomo's
proposed LIRR Expansion project.
Above photos: October
21, 2017 Dave Morrison
Post Ave Bridge replacement completed
View N 10/22/2017
Photo: Bill Mangahas
With tracks installed on the new
trestle, the LIRR wastes no time having the Unimat ballast tamper put
the finishing touches. A test train would roll through much later to
make sure all systems are go. The AM rush would resume and the new
trestle should be good for another 103 years!
Photo: Bill Mangahas
Above photos: October 22, 2017 Dave Morrison,
unless as noted. All photos are in chronological order.
SPECIFIC LOCATION
STATION STOPS
Station: A place designated on the timetable by name at which a train may stop for traffic; or to enter or leave the main track; or from which fixed signals are operated.
LIRR Book of Rules effective July 1, 1926. Definitions are
found in the Book of Rules or Rules of the Operating Department as the
BOR was called in later years.
The following letters when placed before the figures of the schedule
indicate as follows: S - Regular stop
F - Stop on signal to receive or discharge passengers
This under "Color Signals: Flag stop - Green and White per Rule 28: A green and white signal is to be used to stop a train only at the flag stations indicated on its schedule.
EXAMPLE: Flowerfield was one such place. It had a depot, an agency and had both regular and flag stops, yet had no community that it
served as did other locales such as Glendale
(see below) and Pinelawn, as examples of flag stop
stations that also had depot buildings.
The flag stop signal could be operated by a railroad employee or by a passenger at a station stop that had no depot and no railroad employee.
If there was an agent on duty, he may have simply mounted a green and white metal flag, comparable to an order board, to catch the attention of the approaching train and Flowerfield may NEVER have had a semaphore-type flag stop signal.
Usually a handle on the mast was pulled to operate the signal.
Whatever specific type of signal was used for this purpose at Flowerfield was affixed to that post out front of the depot in the c.1927 image.
(Osborne-Huneke)
The semaphore flag stop
signal is beyond the semaphore block signal located photo
center just left of the tracks.
Glendale Station Tower 9 - (GW) view E 1906. Archive:
Dave Keller
Pinelawn Depot and
Administration building - Flag Stop Signal
1908 Archive: Dave Keller
The following station
stops served no specific towns, but were on the timetable to service
specific locations:
American Grass Twine Works/Prairie Grass Works
Atlas
Aviation Field Number 2
A&P Bronze
Bartlett (Fanny Bartlett)
Belmont Racetrack
Boland's Landing
Canoe Place
Center Avenue
Experimental Station No. 2(1)
Flowerfield
Glendale Wells
Golf Grounds
Jamaica Racetrack
Landia
Newsday
Noyack Road
Pilgrim State Hospital
Promised Land
Phelps Dodge
Republic
Shops
Southampton College
Steeplechase
Suffolk Downs
Union Course (racetrack)
Note 1: Flag
stop station located 58 miles from Penn station and was the very next
stop east of Medford, first appearing in the ETT of 5/27/14
This listing doesn't include all the station stops from the 19th century that were named for specific streets and/or
avenues as well as hotels such
as the Howard House and the Oriental Hotel as
well as early racetracks. . Entire topic
Archive/Research: Dave Keller, unless noted.
OLD MAN KELLY - Along
the Track - Jamaica at 75, March 9th, 1988 All items
courtesy Dave Morrison, unless noted.
I took the photo of Old Man
Kelly about a week prior to the March 9th ceremony when we took him on
a "dry run" to HALL tower. We wanted to make sure that he
was able to cross over the tracks and climb the stairs to the upper
level of the tower. We surely didn't want to bring him to the
tower on the day of the big event and, with cameras rolling, find out
that he was unable to make it to the tower. As it turned out, the old
man was quite spry. He was in the checkered shirt that day
(photos below right).
When I spoke with Kelly prior to
the day of the event, he told me that he lived only two blocks away
from the tower. He had told the railroad, if you ever need me at
the tower, just have the tower horn blow 7 times. Thus, on the day of
the event, Gene Collora had it arranged with the tower, when given the
word from Gene, the tower horn would blow 7 times!
It worked out quite nicely. The event was held in the Jamaica Station
waiting room. When Kelly got to the mike to speak, I said, "Wait
a minute, I think that the tower needs you." With that, Gene got
on his radio with the tower and said, "NOW"! As the waiting
room windows were open everyone heard the 7 blasts of the horn. That
was a very nice tribute to Old Man Kelly.
Special thanks to Art
Huneke for telling me about Old Man Kelly and for loaning me the 1913
group photo (below left). Info:
Dave Morrison
Dick Kelly, center, in 1913. Archive: Art Huneke
Along the Track - "Jamaica at
75" Officials with
Dick Kelly (2nd from left)
.
LIRR workers at HALL Tower, Jamaica 1913
Along the Track - "Jamaica at 75" "Old Man
Kelly"
Comes Home article The guest of honor, former LIRR Train Director, Richard E.
Kelly, LIRR President McIver, right, and Historical Society President Dave Morrison, left, on the podium.
Dave Morrison presenting the Jamaica Station 75th Anniversary
(1913-1988) plague to LIRR President Bruce McIver (1985-1989). The plaque
was mounted on a wall over the timetable rack in the Jamaica Station
waiting room for years
Dick Kelly at HALL Tower a week prior to
the March 9, 1988 Jamaica Station 75th Anniversary ceremony.
NEWSDAY - "Old Man Kelly" March 8, 1988
DAILY NEWS - "Old Man Kelly"
March 10, 1988
LIRR FARM PRODUCTS
SHIPPED BY RAIL
RAILROADING FARM WAGONS:
The
completion of the Pacific railways practically brought the vast grain
fields and metal veins of the far west from one to two thousand miles
nearer New York, according to the extent of time annihilated. This
thought occurred to Superintendent Rarton of the Long Island Railway,
as he saw the farmers driving their produce from the eastern end of
the island. The horses seemed overworked, and a journey of 60 miles
could not be easily made in less than 8 hours. The philosophic
superintendent conceived a scheme which included both relief to the
farmers and profit for the railway. He proposed to the farmers that he
should run a special train from the eastern to the western terminus of
the road, and take their loaded wagons and animals on board. The
proposition provoked laughter. Then the philosopher proposed that the
farmers should make several train trips free of expense. One day, a
short time since, a special train stopped at Albertson and found ten
farmers and their loads in waiting. The wagons were put on flat cars,
and the horses in box cars, arranged with some reference to their
comfort. The train made a run of sixty miles in an hour and a half.
The farmers arrived at the market with their horses fresh, and
themselves in a good frame of mind, ready to do a better days work
than they could have done otherwise. When they returned home, they
told the story to all their neighbors. As a result, the eastern end of
the island was elated. On the second trial trip, although it rained
dismally, twenty-three loads of produce were in waiting, and a great
many people witnessed the transfer, which occupied one hour’s
time.
Three
special trains per week have been put on the road, leaving the eastern
terminus at 3:30 am and arriving at the ferry at five o’clock. Some
thirty farmers are already patronizing the line, paying four dollars
each for one round trip. The eastern end of the island is thus brought
as near New York for the vegetable and produce farmers as the western
end. Land can be had on the east end at twenty-five dollars per acre,
and it is believed being so near New York, the sparsely settled
portions will soon become populated. Meanwhile, great indignation
prevails among the produce raisers near New York, who threatened to
derail the special train. The keepers of the saloons along the old
route of the farmers are especially indignant.
Article: January 31, 1885
Harper's Magazine, page 78.
Collection: Dave Morrison
NORMAN
KOHL PHOTOS
Norman Kohl,
LIRR railfan and photographer, was "famous" for creating
"staged" photos of LIRR steam locomotives high-balling down the
tracks with large plumes of smoking coming from the stack.
Although, creating excessive smoke was against LIRR Operating Rules, Norman was friendly with several engineers.
He would tell them where he would be positioned to take a photograph. When the engineer got to that location, the engineer would blast some sand into the flues (or where-ever) and create the glorious heavy smoke.
Because of Norman, there are many great action photos of LIRR steam locomotives in existence today.
That is just my take on Norman. Info: Dave Morrison
LIRR H10s #113 meet with LIRR
G5s #38 - Smithtown view E - 1951 Photo: Norman Kohl
In
Steel Rails to the Sunrise, the pictorial history of the Long
Island Rail Road by Ron Ziel and George H. Foster, Norman Kohl is
described as "the unofficial photographer of the Oyster Bay
branch." Norman, a fellow resident of Glen Head, NY, was my railfan
mentor, and I went out train chasing with him many times. For all that,
this is the only picture I ever got of him, alongside a local freight
heading railroad west on the branch after switching the lumberyard spur at
Locust Valley. Norman thought he'd ruined my picture by being in it. Terry
Guy
Norman Kohl, age 67, at Locust
Valley 7/1979 Photo/Archive: Terry Guy
LIRR #49 Locust Valley c.1940s (Kohl-Morrison)
LIRR #48
Glen Head 1942 (Kohl-Morrison)
LIRR #24
Glen Head c1940s Norman Kohl
Norman Kohl at Glen Cove Station
c.1958
Archive: Dave Morrison
Norman Kohl at ex-lumber siding
turnout Glen Cove c.1958 Archive: Dave Morrison
G5s #28 Oyster Bay yard view E 1951
Photo: Kohl Archive: SUNY Stony Brook
Alco RS1 #461, LIRR G5 1/23/1955 at Oyster Bay
turntable
Photo: Norman Kohl
LIRR H10s #113 west of Kings Park Station 1955
Photo: Norman Kohl
Shinnecock Hills Mail Crane - Norman Kohl - View E 8/16/1963
(Kohl-Morrison)
FLAG STOP SIGNAL
STATIONS
Pinelawn - Flag Stop Signal 1908 - Archive: Art Huneke
Station stops with minimal
ridership or barely ANY ridership were sometimes designated as a
signal stop or flag stop. Timetables would have a notation next
to the specific station that stops were made by signal only.
These signals as depicted in these two images would be operated
manually by riders seeking to stop the approaching train. The
stirrup-style handle would be pulled down, raising the small
semaphore-style blade. Conversely, riders ON the train wishing
to get off at one of these stations would notify the conductor on
board the train in advance and he'd signal the engineer to make the
station stop. These signals were of much smaller construction
and of slightly different blade style, so as not to be confused with
block signals. (Dave Keller data)
Glendale Station - Flag Stop Signals
- 1906 View E towards Tower #9 and renamed in 1907 as "GW"
Archive: Dave Keller
IN MEMORIAM
- GEORGE LODEWIJK WYBENGA (1937-2016)
It is with great sadness that
the RMLI Board of Trustees announce the passing of Trustee George L.
Wybenga on October 27, 2016. George served the Board as a liaison to
the Long Island Sunrise Trail Chapter - NRHS but became more then an
appointed representative.
Known
for his outstanding watercolor paintings of cabooses from across North
America, he generously created the image of engine #39 that we use on
our museum jackets and 25th Anniversary letterhead. George designed
seven of our Lionel collectible cars which began with the Wonder Bread
PS-2 covered hopper and closing with our trio of G-16 50th Anniversary
Commemorative Cars.
At one time George worked as a sign painter and his sign work appears
all about our Museum properties. George was a good friend and mentor
and he will be missed by everyone who came to know him. RMLI Postboy
Winter-Spring 2017 issue
There
will be a memorial service celebrating the life of George Lodewijk
Wybenga 1937-2016. Saturday April 1, 2017 at 2:30 pm at the
Port Jefferson Village Center - 101 East Broadway, Port Jefferson
11777
Art - Music - Remembrances - Coffee - Sweets. A gift in memory of
George could be a donation to Long Island Cares or the Food Bank
for New York City in lieu of flowers.
NYO&W #8360 built 1916
renumbered LIRR #74
3/1957 George L. Wybenga 5/2009
LIRR #38 at
Camp Pa-Qua-Tuck, Center Moriches
George L. Wybenga
Barbara Lindsey in their antique classic car c.1960 in front of
Westbrook Farms.
.
Map of Westbrook Estate property of G. L. Lorillard - 1885 View
N
Note: The present day Sunrise Hwy (Route 27) crosses halfway up the 1 mile
track.
Robert L. Maitland purchased a tract of 635 acres of land adjoining
the Sportsman's Club from William Nicoll. This tract of land was known
as "WestBrook". When he established his estate on this land
he named it Westbrook. The 15 acre pond on the property, fed by West
Brook, became known as "Maitland's Pond", and was famous for
its trout - in fact, it was reported in May of 1872 that the largest
recorded trout taken that season in the United States was landed on
the Maitland Preserve. The curve of the LIRR tracks as it turns north
to skirt the Connetquot River was called Maitland's Curve; built 1868
by the South Side Rail Road.
Robert Maitland died December 23, 1870. On June 7, 1873, a Southerner,
George L. Lorillard of Tobacco fame, purchased the 635-acre tract,
including the spacious mansion, 50 acres of lawn, lovely gardens,
orchards and the 15-acre man-made trout pond.
Mr. Lorillard continued to improve the property, remodeling the
dwelling, building cottages, two large barns, moving older
outbuildings back from the main road (Montauk Highway - 27A) and
erecting miles of fence. As many as 50 men were employed at one time
doing this work. At this time Long Island was famous for the raising
of horses and this was one of Lorillard's activities. In 1875 a large
stable, capable of housing 50 horses, was constructed in ten sections
forming a circle, while covering an acre of ground. The center was
open for exercising the horses in rough weather.
The Lorillard Stable of racing horses represented many winners in many
races but probably the most satisfying one was the race won by
"Iroquois" at the English Derby held at Epson Downs... the
first time an American horse won the Derby stakes.
William Bayard Cutting purchased the property after Mr. Lorillard
death for $125,000 in 1884.
Thomas Mordecai (Turkey and Dairy Farm)
sometime in the 1940's. Raymond Leo Lindsey began his ownership
c.1951 after his marriage to Barbara Ann Dickerson (1929-2009)
Research: East Islip Historical
Society - Ray Lembo
LIRR ENGINE
DESIGNATIONS
Engine designations were from the days when LIRR was a ward of the
PRR, the "E" was EMD, the numbers was based on the engine's
horsepower, E-10 = SW 1001, E-15 = MP-15's (both AC/DC versions), E-20
= GP38-2's, and the L1, L-2 = Alco C420's orders. This might have been "corrupted" a bit by the MTA.
PC designated the FL-9 as EP-17e, following the PRR practice till the end of
PC, as an example.
CROSSING SAFETY POSTERS
Archive: Dave
Morrison
"WARNING:
FLAGMAN on DUTY 9am to 4pm ONLY"
Cross Crossing Cautiously Poster 1922
LIRR Bulletin June 1927
"I Think I can make it!" Safety
Poster 1924
"Be Careful!" Safety Poster
1926
"Wait Daddy! Until the train
passes" LIRR Bulletin June 1927
LIRR Bulletin January-February 1931
Cross Crossings Cautiously c.1925
LIRR
REPRODUCTION ITEMS - CATALOGUE OF MEMORABILIA
originally starting in July, 1971 Archive: Dave Morrison
Re-issue and additional material starting in July, 1972
Archive: Dave Morrison
Reproduction
Timetables - Archive: Dave Keller Note:
The timetable listings below are only partial scans of each entire document for
illustration purposes, except the complete PTT of 1852.
LIRR Annual Report - 06/30/1904
LIRR PTT Eff. 10/18/1880
LIRR Principal Express Trains Eff. 05/15/1910
LIRR ETT no.26 Eff. 05/27/1903
LIRR ETT no.18 Eff. 11/08/1880
The last instruction in this 1880 ETT
This sounds very much to me that
mixed trains on the LIRR were quite common back then for them to
stipulate this. In addition to, cutting cars in and out of a consist,
cars with heavy loads, like lumber cars, when stopped suddenly, would
have sufficient momentum underway to possibly crush a lighter, wooden
passenger car coupled ahead of it. I'd say the ruling was more due to
safety rather than convenience in cutting and handling cars.
LIRR System PTT Eff. 10/1884
LIRR PTT Eff. 10/01/1852
Note:
On the 1852 PTT (above right) the eastbound Mail and Passenger
train and the westbound Freight train hit Nichols Road at the same time.
These old timetables used to indicate points of meeting / passing and
were not necessarily a listed station. While Nichols Road MAY have
been a low-level platform station stop, I believe it was only an
indicated meeting / passing point. Otherwise, why is there no
westbound passenger train to return passengers to this location?
The
location, up until the time I left Long Island in 1988, was wooded and
uninhabited with a dirt path that once crossed the tracks still visible
(the remains of Foot's Crossing). Imagine what it looked like in
1852! No possible need for a station stop. Nothing there.
Nobody living there. Simply a meeting / passing point only.
Info: Dave Keller
LIRR PHOTOGRAPHERS
Thomas Bayles - LIRR Ticket clerk
- Resident of Middle Island, NY. Photographed Shoreham and Miller's
Place stations in 1915. Photographed Camp Upton in 1918. No other LIRR
photos taken. Majority of the LIRR images in his archive (and now mine)
were shot by his brother Albert in 1912-1940. Albert was a LIRR
Carpenter.
George Bradford Brainerd - (1845-1887) One of the earliest LIRR railfan photographers who worked for the Brooklyn Union Gas Co. Back in the late 1870s, he lugged
his large glass plate negative camera and tripod out east from his residence in Brooklyn and photographed many of the original station buildings along the South Shore,
Main Line, Locust Valley (rails had not yet reached Oyster Bay) and Port Jefferson branches. The 1870s-1880s era glass plates are in the LI collection at the Brooklyn Public Library. Research: Dave Keller
Will V. Faxon, Jr. - Resident of NJ. Photographed the LIRR, BEDT, PRR,
CRRNJ, NYC, Reading and others. Images in my archive from late 1940s
through early 1960s. Not sure if he shot anything earlier than late
1940s.
James (Jim) Gillin (1942 – 2012) – LIRR
station agent; 1967 through retirement in 1992. Formerly of Aldan, PA,
lived in Babylon. Photographed the LIRR during 1960’s through the 1990’s
prior to retiring to Port Orange, FL.
Arthur Huneke - LIRR Block operator, retired. Resided in East Islip, NY
and presently Kodak, TN. Railfan and historian. Photographed the LIRR
from the late 1950s until the 1980s.
David Keller - LIRR Extra ticket clerk (1972) and LIRR Special Services
Attendant (1973, 1974) before moving onto other fields. Resided in
Holtsville, NY. Railfan and historian. Photographed the LIRR from
1966-1975, then again briefly in 1987 before moving to Orlando, FL.
Authored two Arcadia Publishing books on the LIRR with the assistance of
Steven Lynch.
William Madden - H&M / Path signal department. Resided in Queens,
and later Longwood, FL. Residing now in MD. Photographed practically
every inch of the LIRR along with Jeff Erlitz in 1978-79
Richard F. Makse - LIRR Special Services Attendant and later ran that
department. Photographed in 1960s-1970s
James V. Osborne - Worked for the NY Central, then hired on with the LIRR.
Osborne photographed from 1921 to 1930 when he was on the extra list and traveled all over the LIRR system working different block offices. Once he became the
Block operator and later station agent at
Southampton, that traveling stopped. He retired from Southampton in 1971 after 50 years of LIRR service.
Bradford (Brad) Phillips – LIRR
ticket clerk; worked 1963 through 1973 during college summers and full
time after military service. Home town Amityville, relocated to Menlo
Park, CA in 1982. Photographed the LIRR from 1960 through the 1970’s.
William Rugen - LIRR Roundhouse Clerk that was very knowledgeable and
respected enough to be assigned to ride the cab of an E6 to Montauk, a
new RS1 and the steam fan trips 1952 – 1955. Photographed the LIRR
from the early 1950s -1960s.
Ted R. Sommer - LIRR Block operator - Resident of Oyster Bay.
Photographed LIRR 1939-1941, then nothing. Possible casualty of WWII but
unsure. Maybe just left LIRR and moved away.
Percy Loomis Sperr (1890-1964), who was known as the "Official Photographer for the City of New York." Beginning in 1924, he combed the five boroughs, "capturing scenes of the city's people, buildings, and neighborhoods," the society reports.
He created more than 30,000 (New York Public Library) photographs, and his works comprise an amazingly detailed portrait of the city" from 1924 through the early 1940s. Research: Dan Scott
George E. Votava - LIRR railfan. Grew up in the Bronx and later resided
in New Hyde Park. Photographed the LIRR, NYW&B, NY City area
streetcars, ELs, etc. as well as many other roads - 1933-1970's
Frederick Johann Weber - (1881 –
1967) was an Austrian-American photographer based in Jamaica, Queens. He
had clients throughout Queens, Brooklyn, and suburban Long Island. Weber
was the official legal photographer for the Long Island Rail Road. He
photographed many accidents for insurance purposes. He also worked for
Jamaica High School. His photos also appeared in Long Island Daily Press
and Queensborough Magazine, and City Journal. Info: Wikipedia
ADELPHI CLASSROOM ON
WHEELS
"One of the School’s more famous efforts
was offering business classes on the Long Island Rail Road. From 1971
into 1987, nearly 1,000 students went through “Adelphi-on-Wheels.”
Created by Adelphi Professor Gregory Gutman and Edu-Tran, Inc., it
allowed business students to take classes during their morning and
evening commutes.
Adelphi University School of Business Newsletter, Spring 2014 issue
The late Professor Greg Gutman started "Adelphi On Wheels"
in the early 1970s.
Note the modifications to a
LIRR standard P72 coach. This leads me to believe that the
classroom car was operated as either the first car or the last car in
the consist, so that no one would try to walk thru the car, and only
student-passengers would sit in it.
Info: John Deasy
The blanked windows in the picture at Ronkonkoma
"KO" is perhaps the Adelphi Classroom on Wheels. Port Jefferson had one
car for the classes (a LIRR 2900-2993 series), and this is most
likely what you are seeing here.
Photo/Archive: Mike Koehler
Graduation ceremony onboard a LIRR railroad car 1974
People Magazine Adelphi Graduation 11/03/1975
Professor Gutman teaching in LIRR modified coach
Adelphi "Edutrain" MBA
Graduation ceremony at Grand Central Terminal
The MTA signage makes no mention of
Metro North, so this could be during the MTA Penn Central or MTA Conrail
eras, prior to creation of Metro North. A New Haven Line train of
M-2 Cosmopolitan cars is on the track to the left and a train of former
NYC streamliner coaches is the right, most likely a Hudson Line or Harlem
Line train. So, I am thinking the photo dates between 1971 and 1983.
Info: John Deasy
LIRR Adelphi University Classroom Car
by Robert L. Myers
There are numerous articles written on this
subject, but from personal experience, I offer the following memories.
When I graduated from Oklahoma
State University (Cowboys) in 1968, I was intending to pursue a master’s
degree when a letter from Uncle Sam intervened. Upon my return from
Vietnam on Thanksgiving Day 1970, I took time to travel around the USA,
get married and get settled in Greenlawn, NY. I started commuting into
NYC immediately in 1973 and about one year later, I heard of a program
that the LIRR was instituting called EDU-TRAIN, where one could obtain a
master’s degree. I applied and was accepted and discovered that Uncle
Sam (because of my Army hitch) had a G. I. Bill that would cover all my
expenses (from tuition @ $115 per credit to books, etc.). The program
may have changed over the years it was in existence, but when I attended
classes, it was 3X a week (MWF) for 15 weeks. At the time, there were
two locations where these classes originated...Greenlawn & Speonk.
The train I took in the morning
(which happened to be the classroom train) ran from Greenlawn (at 6:58
am) express to Jamaica (class started in Greenlawn) and then on to
Hunterspoint Avenue, where the class ended for that run. The car used on
my train on the Port Jefferson Branch was an ex-B&M car, known to buffs
in slang as an “American Flyer Car”. The car was leased from the LIRR by
a person who had approached several Colleges and Universities,
attempting to get a rolling classroom on wheels, only to be rejected
except for one, Adelphi University.
As
the story goes, a commuter from Connecticut was commuting into NYC
daily, getting home to his wife at night, shoving down a quick dinner,
and then several nights a week ran right off to attend College night
courses. He was exhausted and thought there must be a better way to
accomplish this goal and created the idea of a rolling classroom. The
idea proved to have great merit (I believe he instituted this on a
Connecticut train run first and then approached the LIRR). The person at
Adelphi who headed up the program was Professor Greg Gutman, and it was
reported that at one time, all the different colleges within the
University were losing money except for one...EDU-TRAIN.
I had taken several classes on the
night run out of Hunterspoint RR Station as well, and it was a wonderful
experience for me. A great bunch of fellow commuters and many excellent
professors made obtaining the degree worthwhile. LIRR P74B
#7547 Photo: George Votava Archive: Mike Boland
The car was set up (for that
time-period 1974-1977) in an efficient fashion. The windows were covered
with a plastic coating that allowed light in but no view out the window
so that students would not be distracted by passing stations, trains, or
other commuters on platforms, all along the Right of Way. The car was
split into two sections...normal seating in the east section, then seats
removed to allow space for a blackboard, overhead projector, etc. and
microphones for each student hanging from the overhead baggage racks.
Then in middle of the car was a space for lockers to secure the items
mentioned above, with a door into that area and another door to access
the west end of the door, where another classroom was set up in a
similar fashion...well done indeed.
One of the (minor) negative
aspects was the car was right behind the engine westbound and the horn
(at times) was distracting when trying to listen attentively to the
lesson at hand.
All
in all, a great experience and I obtained my master’s degree in business
(MBA) with a major in Marketing without ever setting foot on the Adelphi
campus except for one class which required a 3-hour Math final (ugh!),
which if not for my wife, I would not have passed. Sadly, after a long
successful history, the program ended (the fellows and gals I commuted
in with jokingly stated that the entire LIRR commuter population
received their degrees, and no one was left to attend!!!). I honestly
believe that if this type of program, however modified, was still in
existence or reinstituted, it would be heavily attended (efficient use
of time, etc.).
LIRR P74B #7546 MTA scheme Photo:
George Votava Archive: Mike Boland
WEEKEND CHIEF - PARLOR
CAR BAR MENU & DESIGNATION
Parlor Car Bar Menu front/back - Weekend Chief 1963
Archive: Edward Frye
Parlor Car Bar Menu pages - Weekend Chief 1963
Archive: Edward Frye
Quogue #460 Parlor Car
Archive: Jack Deasy
The "Golden Goose" of LIRR
menus. It was only produced in ONE year. My recollection is
1963.
Now about the car designations. This is Pullman
practice. Normally, the last two digits of the train number followed
by an ordinal. Where conflicts could exist, the car designation could
come from the first and last digits of the train number. So, (and I
know that from experience) car 460 was the first (and always only)
open parlor car for train #4016, the 5 PM weekend train, the slowest
train to Montauk. All stops and three meets. I photographed it many
times.
The car number matched the “diagram”, a
cardboard list prepared by the reservation center showing the
passenger name and destination. These were delivered to the train at
Jamaica, normally via the MU conductor to the Special Services
supervisor at Jamaica. This was a 100 percent reliable “relay team”
from the B of I supervisor (Bureau of Information) at Penn Station to
the MU conductor. In later years, reservations were handled from
the information bureau at Jamaica. During my era at Special Services,
reservations were computerized (as early as 1985). When the Cannonball
was running with 15-17 cars, special services assigned extra
attendants as “space assigners”, i.e. the Cannonball generally had
one space assigners for every three or four cars to handle passengers
who didn’t have reservations. So the SS supervisor handed the
diagrams to the space assigners.
When we computerized, it worked out fine. During
the 80’s. we were mostly 100 percent booked eastbound (virtually
everybody booked for the season and we were set up for season
reservations).
Info: Richard Makse
CAMP BLACK - 1898
Camp Black - Hempstead Plains, 1898
Fighting 69th drilling in column formation at Camp Black - from the
Nassau County Museum Collection
Camp Black was bounded on the north by Old Country Road, on the west by
Clinton Road, and on the south by the Central Line rail; the current
site of Roosevelt Field.
Camp Black was in service on the Hempstead Plains, from 4/29/1898 to 9/28/1898 during the Spanish-American war.
The "Fighting 69th" trained there in May of that year. Hal Fullerton is listed on the title page. He was hired by the LIRR in 1897 and took most of his Long
Island photographs in 1898 and 1899, but the camp was only open in 1898. Note: Camp Wyckoff in Montauk did the receiving and handled quarantining the malaria victims.
Info: Dave Keller
Unique Long Island - Camp Black Edition 1898
Title page and photographic acknowledgements
1898
Unique Long Island - Camp Black Edition back cover
22nd Regiment Infantry NY Volunteers- LIRR Camp Black,
Garden City 5/24/1898
The LIRR trainman to the left of
center is Frank Erthal, who retired in 1950 after a very long career on
the LIRR. What he's doing in this image, I have no idea but he
seemed to like to pose with groups. It's possible that his train was
getting ready to ship the 22nd out and he posed with them before they
all boarded. Info: Dave Keller
A day's outing at Wreck Lead near Long Beach
LIRR MOW petroleum dust subduer at
work. c.1898
1910 PENN STATION AND EAST RIVER TUNNEL
INSPECTION PASS to FAR ROCKAWAY 08/30/1910
Long Island Rail Road 1834 Corporate
Seal
Tunnels Under East River to New York 1910 Seal
This was a special invitation run
for all the invited big whig guests of the PRR and LIRR (also
politicians and probably the press as well.) It was not open to the
public. Hence the specially printed invitations. The big fanfare
happened on September 8th, 1910 when it WAS opened to the public and the
first train left Pennsylvania Station, NY for all points east.. Info:
LIRR Historian, Dave Keller
THE
STEINWAY LINES
The
Steinway Lines were operated by the Third Avenue Railway System,
which operated a vast streetcar system in Manhattan, Bronx and
Westchester and wanted an operation in Queens as well, but several lines
were already in place. TARS was in operation from 1853 to 1953,
whereupon they shut their doors and many cars were either burned or sold
to India and/or Vienna, Austria.
The Steinway Lines had their
own equipment but also ran TARS cars on their system. They shared
car barn space with the NY & Queens Transit at Woodside. A
terrible fire in the early 1930s destroyed a lot of the NY&QT and
Steinway Lines equipment and a good portion of the car barn was torn
down as a result. I believe the TARS cars began to operate over
the line after that conflagration and loss of equipment. See 1st
attachment. This entire area where the Steinway cars are laid up
was once under roof as the car barn. After the fire, all that was
left was to the right of the image, which was about the same size as the
area lost. In the background can be seen the NYCRR.
The line was named as such
because a major portion of it ran along Steinway St. (named after the
piano factory that was located there) and provided service between the
College Point ferry westward, thru Flushing, Woodside and Astoria, then
over the Queensboro (59th St.) bridge. TARS car is
operating along Steinway St. passing the piano factory in the
background. (below right)
Steinway & Sons Piano factory close-up Astoria 3/07/1938
Photo: George E. Votava Archive: Dave Keller
Below is an actual Steinway
Lines car operating at Broadway and Vernon Blvd. in Astoria. (below
left) You'll notice another piano manufacturer's plant in this image.
I guess as so many piano makers lived here to work at Steinway &
Sons, other companies followed suit, seeing the work force was handy . .
. .
Steinway operations ceased in
1939 and all the TARS cars (both TARS and Steinway-lettered equipment)
were returned to the TARS system for use elsewhere on their system.
The Queensboro Railway took over streetcar operations over the bridge
until 1956 and was the last operating streetcar service in the 5
boroughs and Westchester.
All images are "George
Votava photo, Dave Keller archive".
Steinway Lines Car #1662 Birney at
Broadway and
Vernon Blvd., Astoria 3/19/1938
TARS and Steinway Lines cars laying up in the NY&QT car yard in
Woodside, NY on August 22, 1939. The NY Connecting Railroad
embankment, trestle and overhead catenary system is visible in the
left background.
TARS car #10 in Steinway Lines service along
Steinway St. at 19th Ave., Astoria, Queens on March 7, 1938.
Photo: George E. Votava Archive: Dave Keller
The Steinway Lines survived
into 1939, at which time their cars were returned to the Third Ave.
Railway System, the parent company. (Dave Keller data)
OIL-ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVES
LIRR #401 at DUNTON Tower
receiving orders view N
The oil-electric boxcab
#402:1 (right), built in 1926, spent 2 weeks on the LIRR in a test run and
was returned to J. G. Brill, the manufacturer. Info: Hank Raudenbush/Dave
Keller
Brill Boxcab 402:1 at
Philadelphia Pier 78,
Delaware Ave. South Philly 3/21/26 Archive: Dave Morrison
GE Oil Engine - VD-Yard 2/14/1925 Archive: Tom Miller
Stenciled on the side: General Electric Co.
American Locomotive Co.
Ingersoll-Rand Co.
GE Oil Engine - VD-Yard 2/14/1925 - D.McClane, fireman at right with
two car inspectors. Archive: Tom Miller
Oil-Electric #403 at Morris Park 2/27/1933
Photo: George Votava Archie: Mike Boland
Note: A special case of
locomotive 403, which was two units,
403A and 403B, later separated. Mike Boland
120 YEARS OF- Long Island Railroading - Long
Island Railroader 2/1955 Pages 5-6 Archive: Mike Boland
Road# Class Model Builder Serial# Built HP
401 AA-2 102-ton AGEIR 66085 11/25 2x300
402:1 - 80-ton Brill 22315 1/26 2x250
402:2 AA-3 109-ton AGEIR 67330 9/28 2x300
403A/B BS-6 87-ton B-W 60185-86 1/28 2x330
#403A/B semi-permanent coupled pair; later separated as Mike and Ike. Info: "Diesels of the Sunrise Trail" By John Scala
ROW
POWER LINES
Islip 1944 view W Fred Weber photo shows
communication lines on the cross arms and a signal
cable below. The few
single wires below the cable are local telephone lines for a T-Box or
station phone. The scarcity of wires on the upper cross-arms represent
the abandonment of Weston Union telegraph services that previously used
LIRR right of way and poles as local communication was replaced by Bell
Telephone lines.
Amityville power lines view E 2013 Photo: Jeremiah Cox
The very top single wire is a ground wire that
carries no power and protects the array from lightning. The highest
wires are high tension power feeds to the substations. The lowest of the
high tension lines is usually 20 cycle signal current, which is used by
the signal department for ASC and signal operation and is furnished from
the substation at Woodside. Below that may be low tension local supply
lines that carry 480 volts or 240 volts AC. On the lowest rungs are
signal circuits, usually carried in cables, fiber optic lines (often
sheathed in orange protection) and communication wires. The lowest cable
are the local signal circuits; signal communications between
signal points. In the old days, telegraph wires were strung above
telephone wires and many of those were owned by Western Union who leased
space on LIRR poles. Many of the high tension poles on the LIRR date
back to original electrification dates: 1906-1910 for the western Main
Line, 1920's for the Montauk Branch.
CHARLES
W. HOPPE 1935-2015 - LIRR PRESIDENT 1990-1994
The thing that I remember most about Chuck Hoppe is that, thanks to him, we still have the name "Long Island Rail Road."
Back in the early 90s, the MTA had the brilliant idea of changing the name of the LIRR to something like "Metro East."
Chuck went to a board meeting and pounded on the table saying "Whatever you do, don't change the name Long Island Rail Road."
He explained that the people of Long Island might have a love/hate relationship with the LIRR, but it is still their railroad.
The employees have a lot of pride in the name too.
Chuck insisted that the name of the LIRR should not be changed. I guess that the MTA paid attention to what he said and left the name alone.
Chuck Hoppe should be remembered for the fact that we still have the Long Island Rail Road today, after 181 years.
David Morrison
Charles W. Hoppe former LIRR President 1990-94
Newsday 12/25/15
DE30
#418 NOSE DETAILS
CROSS
BAY TUNNEL1936 STUDY
LIRR DE30 #418 Nose details 7/11/2015 Photo: Bob Bender
LI Steam Locomotive Restorations
MUTUAL Magazine June-July 2015 Author: John Kilbride
PRR/LIRR G5s side view technical
drawing
Collection: John Kilbride
LI Steam Locomotive Restorations
MUTUAL Magazine June-July 2015 Page 2 Author: John Kilbride
BICENTENNIAL
HERITAGE CARS
1976 Suffolk County Bicentennial Heritage Car LIRR #921
1976 Suffolk County Bicentennial Heritage Car 6/28/2007 Photo/Archive:
Dave Keller
North Brookhaven
Chamber of Commerce LIRR MP54C #1900 at Terryville, NY
4/18/15
Photos/Archive: Tim Darnell
The Coney Island cars weren't the ones that were saved for the Bicentennial. Any that went to Coney Island were scrapped, unless they are still hidden away there. These are probably the cars restored for the Bicentennial in 1976.
Cars #1900 and #921, non-electrified, made up the "Suffolk County Bicentennial Heritage Train" and were pulled out east by diesel. Cars #1632 and #1391, electrified, made up the "Nassau County Heritage Train." I have shots of both trains taken in 1976. Afterwards, #1632 went on display at one of the platforms at Flatbush Avenue Station. I have a
photo of it there in 1978. Dave Keller
After the bicentennial celebration wound down, one of the cars went to the LIE rest area in Brentwood. I believe the combine wound up at the corner of Rt. 112 and Nesconset Hwy in Port Jefferson. (Not sure if the combine was the same one or not . . . . too many years ago for my mind to be working efficiently.)
The ones chosen for repainting and a quick
renovation were taken from the set that the Long Island- Sunrise Trail
Chapter of the NRHA had chosen for preservation. They were a
representative selection of the different types that were on line in the
mid '70's. Bob Sturm and Win Boerkel, former railroad officials and Chapter
officers, took great pains to talk the railroad into giving those cars
to the chapter to look after. Then they sought ways of keeping them
around.
After the exhibit was done they were moved from place to place in an
effort to hide them from scrapping, much as Don Harold hid the NYTA
museum cars.
The chosen cars for the Bicentennial exhibit were those in the best
structural shape. The renovation consisted of painting the interior and
exterior, lettering them, and cleaning the bearings so they would roll.
The brakes weren't serviced so the cars had to be towed with an engine
on each end and a brake hose down the middle. The seats were removed and
interior lighting converted to 110 Volts.
The pictures shown were taken when the circus train came to Shea,
causing unwanted attention to be paid to the hidden cars. The railroad's
president at the time, who really didn't care much for old crap, wanted
them "pushed down the hill into Corona Yard and into the
creek..." the final trip for most of the other MP54's. Tim
Darnell
LIRR MARITIME
L.I.R.R. steamship "MONTAUK" near Greenport in
1903.
Photo: Hal B. Fullerton Archive: Queens Public Library
This was a service that began in
1899 under the name Montauk Steamboat Company and was started by
officers of the Long Island Rail Road. The idea was to provide another
avenue of transportation that incorporated four steamships that would
provided fast and comfortable transit on the water to certain locations
around Long Island and into New York City.
With William H. Baldwin as
president, the plan got off of the ground after the purchase with four
different vessels in order to make the project possible. The first two,
were the SHINNECOCK and its sister ship, the MONTAUK. Next, were
the NANTASKET and ORIENT. All of the purchased steamers had seasoned,
fully experienced Captain's at the wheel. The 184 foot MONTAUK was
driven by Captain and Superintendent of the Montauk Steamboat Company,
David Van Cleaf and she had a 1500 HP that got her up to 15 mph out on
the water.
The cost of purchase for this
ferry boat at that time was $125,000 and it predominantly ran the routes
of Pier 13, East River with east stops to Greenport, Orient Point,
Shelter Island, Sag Harbor and out to Block Island. Each boat ran from
New York City on alternate days to provide daily service as to not tire
out any Captain. Another vessel by the name of NASSAU ran during
many summers to add a much needed transportation backup during popular
tourism times from Pier 13 and Long Island City in order to connect with
certain trains that ran out to eastern Long Island. Info: Chris
Klug
Looking southeast, the Montauk
Steamboat Company's steamboat "Shinnecock" is traveling
northbound in the East River passing the Sohmer & Co. piano factory
in Astoria, Queens c. 1900. The 1886 factory building still stands
and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Archive/Info:
Dave Keller
Montauk Steamboat Co. steamer "Nantasket" at MSB Co.'s Wall St., NYC
Pier 13 advertising the steamer "Orient" operating between New York City
and Great Neck, Glen Cove, Sea Cliff, Glenwood Landing and South
Glenwood in 1900.
Info: Dave Keller Archive: Marilyn Bowles-Nejman
Steamboat "Sagamore"to the Manhanset House on Shelter Island c.1901+
Archive: Carolyn Gillespie Markowitz
Steamer "Nantasket" under the Brooklyn Bridge, East River, NY Photo: Hal
Fullerton 1897 Archive: Queens Public Library
The “Rockaway”, like all the other
vehicular ferries, crossed the East River bringing LIRR riders and
others as well as horse carts and wagons (automobiles in their later
years) from Long Island to Manhattan and return.
The “Rockaway” was built in 1879, and sold to the Norfolk County
Ferry Co. (VA) in June, 1910. It was scrapped there in July,
1912. Research: Dave Keller
LIRR steamer "Manhanset" - Greenport 1903
The only "Rail-Boat-Rail" connection from
Greenport to Connecticut was strictly passengers and baggage from the
early days of the railroad. Later in the road's history, the "Long
Island Rail Road Navy" - i.e. the Montauk Steamship Company made call at
Greenport en route to/from NYC, Orient Point, Sag Harbor, Montauk, Block
Island and New London, Ct. Again, only passengers and baggage - no
railroad cars from Greenport.
The massive Long Island Rail Road dock the company built at Greenport
was a magnificent structure, worthy of gallows and a float bridge. Two
tracks ran out to the end! What were they thinking :-)
During WWII, the Coast Guard Patrol Cutter would tie up overnight at the
end of the dock. A certain conductor would always have his hack spotted
at the end of one track so he could fish. The Coasties would provide
him with an extension cord so he could read during the evening after he
had caught his fish and had dinner :-) True story from the memories of
Bob "Ducky" Kaelin.
RMLI Don Fisher
Passenger Ferry Service from Oyster Bay, NY to Wilson Point, CT. Spring
1892 two daily passenger trains. Eliminated by Winter 1893. LI
Railroader Dec. 1953 Archive: RMLI
Maritime Roster - "Steel Rails to the Sunrise" (Ziel-Keller)
Northport Steamer c.1895 Archive: Richard Eikov
LIST OF PRESIDENTS AND
TRUSTEES OF THE LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD
List
of Presidents and Trustees of the Long Island Rail Road
• Knowles Taylor: 1835-1837
• Valentine Hicks: 1837-1838
• Waldron B. Post: 1838-1839
• George B. Fisk: 1839-1847
• James H. Weeks: 1847-1850
• Isaac E. Haviland: 1850-1851
• Moses Maynard, Jr.: 1851-1852
• Isaac E. Haviland: 1852-1853
• William E. Morris: 1853-1862
• Coffin Colket: 1862-1863
• Oliver Charlick: 1863-1875
• Henry Havemeyer: 1875-1876
• Conrad Poppenhusen: 1876
• David N. Ropes: 1876-1877
• Adolph Poppenhusen: 1877
• Thomas R. Sharp: 1877-1881
• Austin Corbin: 1881-1896
• William H. Baldwin: 1896-1905
• William F. Potter: 1905
• Ralph Peters: 1905-1923
• Samuel Rea: (PRR & LIRR) 1923-1925
• Wm. Wallace Atterbury (PRR & LIRR) 1925-1935
• Martin W. Clement (PRR & LIRR) 1935-1948
• Walter S. Franklin (PRR) 1948-1954 (Note 1)
• David E. Smucker and H.L. Delatour: 1949-1950 (Note 1)
• William H. Draper: 1950-1951
• William Wyer: 1951-1954
• Walter S. Franklin: (PRR) 1954-1955
• Thomas M. Goodfellow: 1955-1967
• Frank Aikman, Jr.: 1967-1969
• Walter L. Schlager, Jr.: 1969-1976
• Robert K. Pattison: 1976-1978
• Francis S. Gabreski: 1978-1981
• Daniel T. Scannell: 1981
• Robin H.H. Wilson: 1981-1985
• Bruce C. McIver: 1985-1989
• Charles W. Hoppe: 1990-1994
• Thomas F. Prendergast: 1994-2000
• Kenneth J. Bauer: 2000-2003
• James J. Dermody: 2003-2006
• Raymond P. Kenny (acting): 2006-2007
• Helena Williams: June 2007-April 2014 Note 2
• Patrick Nowakowski: 2014-April 2018
• Phillip Eng: 4/2018-2/26/2022
• Catherine Rinaldi ((interim): 3/01/2022-10/15/2023
• Robert Free (acting): 10/15/2023-(appointed) 4/12/2024
Samuel Rea: Statue and dedication plaque in Penn Station, NY Note 1: The LIRR was operated by
the Pennsylvania Railroad from 1928 to 1949 when it went bankrupt. The
people from Smucker and Delatour through Wyer
were trustees rather than presidents, as the LIRR was in Chapter 77
bankruptcy. During this time period (1949 to 1954), Walter S. Franklin
was PRR president.
Note 2: Helena Williams: NEWSDAY -12/11/2017
LIRR MONOGRAM DATA SHEET
The Pennsy years brought the
keystone logo, appearing in early LIRR ads from 1917 (Info: Art Huneke),
February 1924 on the Long Island Information Bulletin, and the May 14, 1924 timetable.
This logo was used as a herald
only on the DD-1 electric locos after the pin-striping of 1939. Prior to
the pin-striping the logo was not utilized. Research: Dave Keller
AAR INSPECTION CONSIST
AAR #110 #100 Dolton, IL 11/20/10
Archive: Sam Beck
AAR #110 #100 Jamaica 7/17/12
NY Times Photo: Damon Winter
AAR 100 110 LI City 8/11/14
Photo: Dave Barraza
LIRR
MP15AC #158 and #168 consist of Association of American Railroads
Research car AAR #100 and AAR #110 track loading vehicle.
AAR
#100 brown track loading vehicle
is what houses the hydraulics. It
is a telemetry car and it puts a load on the rails both downward and
outward to test the track integrity. The
outward test puts pressure on the running rails from the inside pushing
out.
The
test/research car AAR #110 has all the computers, GPS, etc, along with a
kitchenette, bathroom, shower, etc. to
test the tracks for max load and measures deflection including sideways
loading to check spread.
It is
an extensive process to get all the testing done as not all tests can be
done simultaneously. The load testing can only be done in one direction
(with the research car leading) with a maximum speed around 20 mph.
READING A TRAIN ORDER
FORM 31
This
is a Form 31 train order issued at "WC" cabin at Upton
Junction on November 3, 1917. Form 31 orders had to be signed for
upon receipt by the conductor and engineer of a train. They were
not caught "on the fly" as were form 19 orders.
"WC" cabin was the former, unused "CP" cabin at
Central Islip, shown here in service at Upton Junction. An
interesting note about the instructions in this order: see the
reference to "Y" and "PT" cabins which were on the
Montauk branch at Sayville and Eastport, respectively, but
"WC" cabin was on the Main Line. During the operation of
Camp Upton in WWI, trains to and from the camp were routed in a
one-direction circle. Trains were dispatched eastbound into the
camp and, in leaving the camp were sent further eastbound to Manorville,
where they then headed towards Eastport ("PT" cabin), then
westward back to the west end of Long Island, so as to not
interfere with trains headed for the camp. (Dave Keller archive
and data)
The
train order, issued to C&E of Engine #97 on 11/3/1917 at 9:54 AM and
made complete at 10:06 AM by block operator E. B. Coons:
1st
Part: Engine #97 (D56 American-type) was running an extra (not
scheduled) passenger run between Upton Junction (WD cabin) and east of
Sayville (Y cabin), the easternmost extent of double track on the
Montauk branch.)
This move would have been
accomplished by heading east from Upton Junction to Manorville, down the
connection to Eastport, using the westward-curving wye track there to
head back in a westbound direction to Sayville on the Montauk branch
(see Emery map for this curved track of which I speak).
2nd Part: Another
locomotive, #145 (G53 ten-wheeler) is running light (no train) and is
also heading east but over the Montauk branch, and this locomotive
(#145) has the right-of-way over the eventually westbound locomotive #97
between Y cabin east of Sayville and PT cabin in Eastport.
Therefore, once
locomotive #97 and its train hits the Montauk branch, that engineer and
engine needs to take whatever siding it may be required to take, as
engine #145 approaches from the opposite direction.
Both are aware that
they are headed towards each other and need to look out for a distant
headlight or plume of smoke, as well as a block signal in their
direction displaying a "STOP" aspect. As both
locomotives are extras, they are not scheduled on the employee
timetables, so nobody really knows where the two will meet up. But
based upon the time they were both dispatched, it was determined that
they WOULD meet somewhere between Y and PT cabins.
Being a Form 31
order, the engineer and conductor to whom it was issued needed to sign
for it at the place of issuance, which was, in this case, WC cabin at
Upton Jct. The conductor's name was Lehman and the engineer's name
was H. L. Wyckoff.
The engineer of #145
would have picked up HIS orders at whatever block station he was at
prior to HIS eastbound move advising him that HE would have right over
engine 97 west, PT to Y.
Now . . . while both
engines were headed towards each other along the Montauk branch, both
would probably pick up additional orders along the route from any of the
numerous block offices that existed back then, (one at EACH station
except Hagerman) advising both engineers where the meet would take
place, as the locations became more fine-tuned and what they were
required to do.
The subsequent
orders would read something like this:
To C&E Eng 97: Eng
97 and passenger extra west meets extra 145 east at ________. Eng
97 take siding.
To Engineer Eng 145: Extra 145 east meets Eng 97 at
__________. Eng 97 take siding.
During WWI, there
were block offices open all over the Main Line and Montauk branch due to
the increased train traffic to and from Camp Upton. I even have a
train order issued in 1917 at HOLTSVILLE of all places!!! This was
a block office only during WWI. After the war it went back to
being just a ticket office.
After the war ended
and the LIRR finally shut down operations in the camp in April, 1921, WC
cabin at Upton Jct. was closed and demolished.
During WWII with the
reopening of Camp Upton, a smaller cabin was constructed, and placed in
service with the call letters CU. It remained in used into the
mid-1960s as a telephone shanty at Upton Junction, tracks of which
continued to service Brookhaven National Laboratory.
(Dave Keller archive and data)
STATION
NUMBERS
LIRR A.D.L. 205 Manual of Instructions to Conductors and Collectors
lists the station numbers alphabetically and numerically for both the
Operating Department (O.D.) and the Accounting Department
(A.D.). These numbers can be found on LIRR passenger tickets; for
example. Issued date 8/0/1954. Archive: Brad Phillips
The 9000 station numbers assigned
to the LIRR came from the PRR's Accounting Department List of Station (I
am on vacation right now but I believe this thick loose-leaf book was
the AD80 or AD50). It was revised from time to time.
Some stations had multiple numbers: Penn Station passenger was 9012 but
there other numbers assigned to the Ticket Receiver, Baggage master,
etc. Station #1 was the PRR's Penn Station passenger. Again, multiple
numbers were assigned to "upstairs" at Penn Station. The
highest of the 9000 numbers (just going from memory) were assigned to
PRR subsidiaries in Pennsylvania coal country (the Cherry Tree &
Dixonville comes to mind). The other major PRR passenger subsidiary, the
Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines also appeared in this book.
Virtually every printed ticket system-wide bore an Accounting Department
number. Oftentimes, rubber stamps at stations bore the station number
and name and in the case of freight stations, often bore the word
"freight". When I get back home, I will post some samples.
The alphanumerics, like F22, came from the LIRR's CR4 (List of Stations
and Sidings and Instructions for Making Reports to the Car Records
Office and Other Information). These numbers were used in both passenger
and freight service and were once contained in a small pocket-sized
staple bound book. In the memory of most of us, these numbers simply
appeared on a two-sided pocket card, used by crews for both passenger
and freight reports on various forms.
The LIRR's CR4 was the equivalent of the PRR CT1000, thick cloth bound
books issued for the PRR's three regions. The PRR first started issuing
these books during the 1880's and as time went on, they contained a lot
of detail about stations, consignees, etc. and are considered to be a
primary research source for locations on the PRR. Info: Richard Makse
These
numbers are "newer" numbers from the much older style where
1/2 mile designations were used (i.e. station number of S59-1/2 strictly
made-up for example purposes only. ) The signal designations, the
letters stand for the branch/division. Info: Dave Keller
"N,"
which stands for North Side Division, the old name for the Port
Washington branch.
Check out Auburndale, Corona, Elmhurst, etc. below . . all indicated as
"N". For example:
N-5 is Elmhurst: 5 miles from Winfield Jct., the start of the Port
Wash (North Side) branch.
A Atlantic
F Far Rockaway
G Greenport (Main Line)
H Hempstead
L Long Beach
N North Side Division (old name Port Washington Branch)
O Oyster Bay
P Port Jefferson
S South Shore (Montauk Branch)
R Rockaway
W West Hempstead
SWITCHING
ROSLYN
Model Railroader Planning 2004 -
Concept/Drawing design: Steven Lynch Execution: MR Staff
When I was a
teenager I used to tag along with the conductor on the Oyster Bay freight, which ran every Monday, Wednesday and
Friday. There first stop was a lumber yard south of Mineola Coal . Mineola Coal is where I met up with them, there was a lay over track there and Mineola Coal was on one side of Jericho Turnpike and on the other side was a large switching area they called "the Hole".
In that large complex was Mineola
Paper, Albertson Lumber, Local Steel, Mineola Plumbing, Latham Brothers
Lumber, Windsor Coal, Pittsburgh Glass, an Iron Works Company, a candy
company and another paper company at the end. After spotting cars there,
we always took a yellow fruit growers express refrigeration car and put
it behind the engine, this was done just about every time on the
scheduled run. The fruit growers express refrigeration car was headed to
Helena Rubenstein.
We would lay over, either at the
Hole or Mineola Coal, and wait for the next north bound train to Oyster
Bay as soon as the block would clear we would follow it up to Roslyn. At
Roslyn we would leave the main body of the train in Roslyn and take the
car up to Helena Rubenstein.
I remember the conductor telling the engineer to go extremely slow on that siding, something about the curve not being right. After we spotted the car and picked up our empty we head back to Roslyn. By this time the southbound
train going to Penn Station would have gone by and we would get permission to cross over at the Roslyn Crossover and leave our empty cars and any cars for Roslyn on the south side and any cars we had for Albertson's Steel we had which was on the south side. We would cross back over pick up our loaded cars and head north towards Oyster Bay. Our next stop was usually Sea Cliff. There was a team track in Glen Head , but it was rarely
used, delivering boulders in gondolas. Provided by: Bill
CHAINING
MEASURING
Robert Emery hand-drawn map
08/1958 which covers "500' east of Hillside Station to MP12"
and at the top of the
map there's a rough-written addition saying "MP 584+62.
The use of MP for a survey station is incorrect, but mileposts are
so much more commonly used on a railroad, somebody was thinking of that.
58462 feet, a little over ten miles would be just about right for that
location, measuring from Long Island City via the Montauk Branch.
Jamaica is 9.3 miles. If i remember right, mileposts East of
Jamaica are measured via the Montauk Branch, not via Woodside, which
would be a little further. Coincidentally, the distance from
Flatbush Ave to Jamaica is also shown as 9.3 miles. Info:
Henry Raudenbush
Chaining in the US is done in
increments of 100 feet. Every 100 feet from the starting point is
a location called a (survey) "station". So station
582 would be 58,200 feet from the starting point. It would be
referred to as 582+00. The number after the plus is the distance
in feet from the previous station; so 582+36 would be 58,236 feet from
the starting (zero) point. "Chaining" refers
to the fact that in early days, the distances were measured out
with an actual chain. In early days, a distance of 66 feet
was a "chain" comprised of 100 links; this is still used by
British railways. You will see references in British fan
publications to a distance such as "6 miles, 11 ch." Currently
still in use by surveyors in route surveying and curve surveying along
with elevations.
The zero station might be the actual beginning of a line, or it may be
an arbitrary point. Most of the chaining of the IRT and BMT
begins from actual points where lines (or segments of lines)
began. For historical reasons, usually outward from downtown
Manhattan. As a result sometimes chaining runs in opposite
directions on different segments of the same line. The Lexington
Ave. IRT from City Hall to 40th St is chained northward from a zero at
City Hall. But the extension to South Ferry and
Brooklyn is chained southward from about the same point.
To avoid having chaining run in opposite directions, the IND picked an
arbitrary point, probably about in the West 4th St station, and called
it Station 1000. This way, whether they extended south (numbers
going down) to Coney Island or north (numbers going up) to the top of
the Bronx, the numbers could run in a continuous series. They
did not foresee the Rockaway line, which might have gone below 0,
but in the event, they acquired the LIRR drawings, etc of that line, so
used the LIRR chaining, which comes from a zero at Long Island City.
Railroads seem to have used chaining for their civil engineering,
but mile posting for operational activities. Most railroads
have been worked over many times since they were built, with relocations
and cutoffs changing the length of the line. If they tried to keep the
mileposts spaces 5280 feet apart, the MP at the far end of the line
would have to be on wheels! Instead, after any relocation, there
will be two mileposts at an irregular spacing.
For example, the original PRR line
between Trenton and Philadelphia swung through the middle of
Bristol, with many grade crossings. About 1909, the PRR built a
cutoff bypassing Bristol, with grade separation, and shortening the
line. Mileposts 66 and 67 are 4000 feet apart. The chaining in
such a case will have what is called an "equation". At
some point on the drawings there will be a line drawn across the line
with two chaining numbers listed, one for the chaining up to that point,
a different one for the chaining going forward. Research:
Henry Raudenbush
LIRR
ELECTRIFIED ROUTES
Main Line to Ronkokoma
Port Jefferson to Huntington
Montauk/Babylon branch to Babylon
Hempstead (entire branch)
West Hempstead (entire branch)
Long Beach (entire branch)
Far Rockaway (entire branch)
Port Washington (entire branch)
Oyster Bay is electrified to East Williston.
Hunterspoint Ave.
Long Island City, but the LIC yard station tracks are not. However,
there are four tracks in the yard that do have third rail. LIC
"yards" one electric train in the AM rush hour (discharges
passengers at HPA) that then extras back as an equipment train to
Jamaica or Hillside after the rush hour is over.
In the afternoon, one electric equipment train comes out of Jamaica with
no passengers gets yarded and then goes up and picks up passengers for
Ronkonkoma later.
The potential to yard four MU trains in LIC is twofold. One, if there is
a disabled train that is barely limping along they will divert it to LIC
rather than risk sending it through the East River Tunnel and jamming up
the rush hour. The other benefit to that is that gets it out of the way
of busiest track section of the LIRR.
The other reason for those four electrified tracks is if there is a
large diversion from Penn Station for whatever reason LIC can yard four
electrics and store another two in HPA if conditions warrant.
The other way in and out of LIC is the lower Montauk and that is not
electrified.
LIRR
ARCHIVE LOCATIONS
Extensive material at the Railroad Museum of Long
Island, Riverhead, NY (RMLI)
Ron Ziel’s collection is at the Queensboro
Public Library’s Long Island collection in Jamaica, NY.
George Brainerd’s 1870s-1880s era glass plates are in the LI
collection at the Brooklyn Public Library.
Robert Emery’s collection is in the LI
collection at the SUNY @ Stony Brook.
Charles B. Chaney’s collection is in the
Smithsonian Institution.
Fullerton’s collection is split between glass
plate negatives in the collection at the Suffolk County Historical
Society in Riverhead and Ron Ziel’s collection (see above).
Vincent Seyfried’s collection has been sold
via e-Bay.
LIE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS
QUEENS 1954 at 57th Ave LIRR
Eastbound passing 57th Ave. 1954
Photo: LIRR Archive: Jim Gillin
This photo depicts early construction of
the LIE. The concrete pad in the foreground is for the relocated high
tension line to the original Woodhaven Junction substation. Note that
Rockaway 2 and 1 are still both in service.
The row homes immediately to the right of the
head end of the eastbound train on ML4 are on 57th Avenue; that's a
public school in the background of those homes and the footbridge
across the tracks is 55th Avenue. When I was first married, we lived
at the foot of 53rd Avenue on the north side of the right of way. The
building is still there. Richard F. Makse
LESTER
C. TICHY,
Architect 1905 – 1981
Lester C. Tichy, Architect 1905 – 1981
Employed by the PRR and influenced by the renowned PRR designer
Raymond Fernand Loewy
Lester C. Tichy,
369 Lexington Avenue
,
NY City 8/03/1944
Archive: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division
Washington
,
D.C.
2054
A
representative example of the moderne
style favored by Tichy that he designed.
Aberdeen Southbound Station, MD 1940's view S
Archive: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division
Washington
,
D.C.
20540
LIRR Tichy Paint Scheme 11/1/49
through 1955
LIRR
#1495 MP54 Brooklyn 1956
Archive: Dave Keller
Applied
to all passenger cars, some DD1 electric locos,
electric shop switchers, and ALCO RS1 units. RS1
units repainted up until 11/1/52.
Only locomotives wore the
Long Island
shadowed map logo. FM
C-liners arrived in this scheme in Jan. 1950.
LIRR #2001 FM CPA20-5 Morris Park Shops
LIRR #2401 FM-CPA24-5
LIRR #2008 FM CPA20-5 Port Jefferson Station 1952
LIRR holds press run of 5 new air-conditioned
P72 cars to Greenport. Tichy scheme abandoned in favor of dark
gray body with orange end doors and dark green roof (all psgr.
cars) per Keystone magazine 1955-1961.
5/23/55
LIRR Stations:
Closed/Reopened/Removed/Replaced
LIRR Stations that Closed and Reopened as the same
Structure
BLUEPOINT
S. SIDE R.R. DEPOT OPENED: 2/1/1870, CLOSED: 6/1/1882
2ND DEPOT OPENED: JUNE/1900, RAZED: 1951
CONCRETE SHELTER SHED BUILT: 1951, DISCONTINUED AS STATION STOP: 1980
CEDARHURST
S. SIDE R.R. BEGAN SVC: 7/1869.
BUILT: 7/1872 (Per Vincent Seyfried’s LIRR history. 3-year gap??)
RIVAL L.I.R.R. ALSO BUILT DEPOT: 7/1872
AFTER MERGER OF 2 ROADS, OCEAN POINT DEPOT AND L.I.R.R. DEPOT
ABANDONED: 6/1876. L.I.R.R. DEPOT MOVED TO FAR ROCKAWAY: 8/1881
S.S.R.R. DEPOT AT OCEAN POINT REOPENED: 6/1887, GREATLY REMODELED:
5/1888
3RD DEPOT BUILT: 1913
EDGEWOOD
MAIN LINE
OPENED: 6/1892, CLOSED: 10/21/13, BURNED: 1920
DEER PARK
4TH DEPOT RELOCATED FURTHER EAST OF FORMER LOCATION, Executive Drive
WITH HI-LEVEL PLATFORMS IN SVC: 9/14/87
KISSENA PARK
CRR OF LI
OPENED: 6/1873, CLOSED: 8/1876. RE-OPENED: 6/1877, ABANDONED: 4/30/1879,
MOVED TO
PRIVATE LOCATION, BURNED: 5/8/18
MAPLE GROVE
MAIN LINE
OPENED: MAY/1879 AS FLAG STOP FOR MAPLE GROVE CEMETERY.
CLOSED: 1882. REOPENED: 1883. REMOVED IN 1909 WITH REALIGNMENT OF
TRACKS.
MOVED APPROX. 600’ SOUTH ALONGSIDE NEW SITE OF KEW STATION (WHICH
OPENED
9/8/1910) AND PERPENDICULAR TO TRACKS FOR USE AS REAL ESTATE OFFICE FOR
DEVELOPERS
OF KEW. RAZED A SHORT TIME LATER.
MASPETH
OPENED: 2/1895, CLOSED: 10/1903, REOPENED: ?, AND AGAIN CLOSED: 1924,
BLDG. REMOVED: 1925
DISCONTINUED AS STATION STOP.
SOUTH SIDE R.R. CROSSING
EVERGREEN
OPENED: 5/15/1878 AT THE CROSSING OF THE BUSHWICK BRANCH.
CLOSED: 5/25/1881. REOPENED: 6/1886 WHEN SERVICE STARTED OUT OF BUSHWICK
TERMINAL AS A
SUBSTITUTE FOR THE GREENPOINT ABANDONMENT. CLOSED: AT END OF 1890
SEASON.
LIRR Stations that closed and reopened as the same name but as different structures:
CAMP UPTON
UPTON SPUR
OPENED ON THE CAMP GROUNDS: 1917. CLOSED WITH END OF LIRR SVC. TO THE
CAMP: 4/1922
CAMP UPTON
UPTON SPUR
OPENED ON THE CAMP GROUNDS: c. 1942. CLOSED WITH END OF LIRR SVC. TO THE
CAMP: c. 1946
DUNTON
OPENED: ? AT VAN WYCK AVE., CLOSED: 1910
2ND, RELOCATED DEPOT BUILT: 1914, OUT OF SVC: 11/1/39 AND RAZED WITH
ATLANTIC AVENUE IMPROVE-
MENT PROJECT: 1939-40
QUOGUE
BUILT: 6/1875 2ND DEPOT BUILT: 1882, MOVED TO PRIVATE LOCATION: 1905
3RD DEPOT BUILT; 1905, AGENCY CLOSED: 1958, RAZED: 4/64
DISCONTINUED AS STATION STOP: 3/16/98
WORLD’S FAIR
1ST STATION IN SVC: 1939-40, RAZED
2ND STATION IN SVC: 1/11/61. RENAMED “SHEA STADIUM”: 4/15/66
LIRR Stations that closed and reopened as different names but on same site:
GOLF GROUNDS
OPENED: 4/1907, DISCONTINUED AS STATION STOP: 1939, MOVED TO PRIVATE
LOCATION: 1940
SOUTHAMPTON COLLEGE
OPENED: 5/24/76 AT OLD “GOLF GROUNDS” STATION SITE, 528’ WEST OF
MP86. DISCONTINUED AS STATION STOP AND REMOVED: 3/16/98
WORLD’S FAIR
1ST STATION IN SVC: 1939-40, RAZED AFTER CLOSE OF FAIR.
UNITED NATIONS
EAST OF CORONA STATION. IN SVC: 9/15/46. OUT OF SVC: c. 1952 (SITE OF
1939 WORLD’S FAIR STATION)
LIRR Station buildings that were removed and replaced after a major period of time but station stops remained in use:
GREAT RIVER
BUILT: 1897, BURNED: 1943. AGENCY CLOSED: ?
2ND DEPOT BUILT: ?, RAZED: c. 2000
3rd DEPOT WITH HI-LEVEL PLATFORMS BUILT: c. 2000-2001
HICKSVILLE:
1ST DEPOT OPENED: 3/1/1837 AS TEMPORARY TERMINUS OF LIRR. BURNED:
7/15/1864
2ND DEPOT OPENED: 9/1873, MOVED TO PRIVATE LOCATION: 1909
3RD DEPOT OPENED: 10/30/1909, RAZED: 11/62
ELEVATED STRUCTURE BUILT: 1962
HILLSIDE:
MAIN LINE
BUILT: ?, CLOSED: 1911
2ND DEPOT IN SVC: 5/15/11. LOW PLATFORMS OUT OF SVC: 10/1/30 ACCOUNT “JAMAICA
IMPROVEMENT EAST” PROJECT.
EASTWARD HIGH LEVEL PLATFORM SOUTH OF TRACK 1, IN SVC: 10/1/30 FOR
EASTWARD AND WESTWARD TRAINS.
AGENCY CLOSED: ? . DEPOT USED AS PRIVATE BUSINESS.
DISCONTINUED AS STATION STOP: 7/1/66.
HILLSIDE
MAIN LINE
EMPLOYEE-ONLY STOP AT HILLSIDE MAINT. FACILITY (1990s?)
JAMESPORT
1ST DEPOT APPEARS ON TIMETABLE OF 6/14/1845. DEPOT REMOVED: AUG-SEPT/
1869.
2ND DEPOT WAS A PRIVATE SALOON PURCHASED FOR USE AS DEPOT: 7/1878.
GREATLY REMODELED:
1944, AGENCY CLOSED: 1958, RAZED: 7/18/63.
RELOCATED SHELTER SHED OPENED: 7/18/63, DISCONTINUED AS STATION STOP: 19
?
MANORVILLE
APPEARS ON TIMETABLE OF 6/14/1845 AS “ST. GEORGE’S MANOR” AND
LATER SHORTENED TO “MANOR.” RAZED: 9/1869
(Per local history, the first station agent, Seth Raynor, a patriot,
painted out the “St. George’s,” leaving “Manor.” The
town
name changed to Manorville with opening of the post office, but
timetables and LIRR documents retained the name “Manor”
until c. 1907-1908.)
2ND DEPOT BUILT: 5/1871. STATION RE-NAMED “MANORVILLE” c. 1910.
RAZED: 6/41
SHELTER SHED BUILT: 1941, RAZED: c. 1968 AND DISCONTINUED AS STATION
STOP.
MEDFORD
1ST DEPOT OPENED: 6/26/1844 WITH OPENING OF LIRR OUT TO TEMPORARY
END-OF-TRACK AT CARMAN’S RIVER. BURNED:
8/20/1863
2ND (?) DEPOT BUILT: 1889 WITH ATTACHED AGENT’S QUARTERS. RAZED: 1940
WITH GRADE CROSSING ELIMINATION OF RT. 112.
3RD, ELEVATED DEPOT OPENED: 11/9/40. AGENCY CLOSED: 1958. RAZED: 1964
4TH, ELEVATED DEPOT WITH HI-LEVEL PLATFORMS BUILT: 2000-01
PORT JEFFERSON
OPENED: 1/1873, BURNED: 2/1/1874
2ND DEPOT BUILT: 6/1875, CLOSED: 1903 AND USED AS YARD BLDG, RAZED:
4/1963
3RD DEPOT OPENED: 7/25/03, REMODELED: 1968. STATION FACILITIES
TEMPORARILY OUT OF SVC: 4/18/88.
TEMPORARY STATION FACILITIES 75’ WEST OF MAIN ST. IN SVC:
4/25/88.
MAIN BUILDING BACK IN SVC: ? RESTORED TO ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE: 2000-01
Research: Dave Keller
HUNTINGTON
STATION LOCATION
The original station that opened in 1868 was located west of New York Avenue on the north side of the tracks (present station is also on north side of the tracks, east of NY Ave.).
The photograph was taken during the 1909 Route 110 bridge installation. The photographer was facing west. This photo was from the collection of William Ahern, of Ahern Landscape Design Center.
The art print was
drawn by the famous Long Island artist of the late 1880s Edward Lang. Lang's view looks northwest.
Research: Dave Morrison
SILL'S
FARM, GREENPORT
Sill's Dairy Farm at milepost 93 was nearing the end of its useful life when I took this photo
of LIRR train #4210 with two parlors on Labor Day, 1967 across the
Farm's pond. Sills was an established dairy that supplied the North Fork. Happily, I own a quart milk bottle embossed Sills' Dairy, Greenport, NY.
09/04/1967 View E
Photo/Info: Richard F. Makse
08/11/1968
View NE
Photo: Richard F. Makse
The
decaying remains of Sills bing.com aerial photo. View N. 2009
Sill's Dairy Farm located near LIRR MP 93 just
south
of NY State Route 25 (Main Rd, Front St.)
Maps indicate Sills Rd at this location
NEW
YORK - EAST RIVER - NEWTOWN CREEK - DUTCH KILLS - Bridge Closure
The
Long Island Railroad Swing Railroad (DB) Bridge across Dutch Kills at
mile 1.1 will be closed to marine traffic until further notice due to
structural damage and deterioration of the center pier. The bridge is no
longer operable as a swing bridge. Mariners are advised to plan
accordingly. 12/30/8 Chart
12335 LNM 04/08 (CGD1)
LIRR
EMPLOYEE RECORDS
All employee records for the LIRR were kept at the employment office at the Long Island City terminal.
When the structure was destroyed by fire on December 18, 1902, all employee records were destroyed.
It was a major loss. They lost records of employees dating back to the beginning of the railroad in the 1840s and 1850s as well as employees who were, at the time, currently employed.
As the Montauk Steamboat Co. was a subsidiary of the LIRR, I would think their employee records were also stored at the LI City terminal.
Replacement terminal building
and offices at LI City
c. late 1914-1920 Collection: Dave Morrison
I'm sure that the LIRR made attempts to gather hiring data, promotion data, etc. from employees who were in current service to update a new employee database and that database was transferred to Jamaica when it was opened in 1913 and became the main railroad offices, housing the employee department as well.
(I have a seniority roster of engineers and firemen dated 1947 and the top dogs on the list have hiring dates from the 1890s, so this lost data must have been re-recorded by word of
mouth). However, what happened to those records is unclear,
probably dumped over the years along with the valuation glass plate negatives from 1919-1921 by order of
Thomas Goodfellow.
The current LIRR employee department is of no help in providing employee records that are "old" from what I've been told. Dave Keller,
LIRR Historian 12/30/2008
LIRR
MILEPOST CALCULATIONS
LIRR
mileage WAS calculated from LI City until Penn station opened in 1910.
mileage is ALWAYS from L. I. City they are correct, but only as of
1942-43.
Then, mileage was calculated from Penn with the exception of the Montauk
branch which, surprisingly enough, was STILL calculated from LI City and
the Atlantic branch whose mileage was calculated from Flatbush
Ave.
While the LIRR calculated their mileage from LI City, the SSRR
calculated theirs from their terminal in Bushwick.
As a result, their route varied slightly from the LIRR’s later Montauk
branch , AND, due to many track realignments over the years, their
mileage varied from the LIRR’s mileage between the same two points,
but only, on average by about ¼ to ½ mile or so. It wasn’t more than
¼ to ½ mile different at that point.
I'm sorry to say that I have absolutely NO idea as to when the mileposts were put in place.
Judging by the differing styles I've seen in photos over the years, they were obviously put in place at different times . . . perhaps to replace a broken or stolen one or perhaps to indicate corrected mileage when track work was done. There were many locations on LI where curves were removed and tracks realigned, thus cutting off distances at varying locations.
As many of those old photos I've seen show nicely manicured markers, the railroad must've sent a crew out every several years or so to paint them back to legibility.
Back then, their only enemy was the elements of weather. Today we have vandals added to the mix.
Dave Keller, LIRR Historian 12/18/2008, Archive Photo: MP1
Hunterspoint
Ave,
LI City
view east, north side of tracks, at east end of station platform
c. 1999
AGENT,
AGENCY, & TICKET CLERK
An
"AGENT" was the representative of the railroad.
A "Ticket Clerk" was NOT an agent and,
as a result was not THE official representative of the railroad in all
business thereunto pertaining.
Yes . . . he or she was
recognized as a railroad employee, but did not have the
authorization to handle any paperwork other than ticket sales without
the permission of his or her next-in-command . . . . . the Agent.
That is why stations had multiple ticket clerks but only ONE Agent.
An Agent's job was to transact ALL railroad business: freight, baggage, express, ticket sales, etc., etc. Ticket Clerks were assigned jobs at stations to assist the Agent in his duties.
By being set up at a depot and being a representative of the railroad at that venue, said depot was known as an
"Agency" of the LIRR.
In later years, when freight and express
business ended on the LIRR, and as many of the older agents retired and
were not replaced, remaining agents were placed in charged of multiple
stations and head ticket clerks were assigned to many of the outlying
ticket offices, with extra ticket clerks coming in to assist during busy
days for sales of commutation tickets. Of course, this was not the
case for the major terminals, who always had a bank of ticket clerks
assigned.
Just like offices of Western Union had signs up that read "Western Union Agency Here" and you went into the drug store and were able to send a telegram.
When a ticket office closed and all paper business ended . .. no more freight, express, ticket sales, etc., etc. and the manpower was removed and the depot building only used as a shelter against the elements, it was referred to as the agency being closed. In later years the closing of an agency only meant no more ticket windows as most of the railroad paper work (freight, express, etc., etc. ) was no longer handled by the agent and his assistants. Take Railway Express for example. They had their own employees usually operating from the freight office, assuming the location was large enough i.e. Patchogue.
When my description states, for example "Agency Closed: 1958" that meant that, in 1958, the Agent was removed from the premises, along with all his papers, documents, ledgers, forms, tickets etc., etc. and the job abolished. No more ticket sales. The window was closed. You could no longer check your baggage at that location. You could no longer ship anything or receive shipment at that location.
My description of Islip reads that the 2nd depot was placed IN SERVICE
in 1963. My next line reads "Agency Closed: ?" Meaning that the official LIRR station agent was removed at a later date and the office closed, but I have no idea of that date.
Dave Keller, LIRR Historian 12/28/2008 Archive Photo: Central Islip
Station Interior 1928
TRACTION
BLVD
Traction Blvd. has always been named thus as the
storage battery cars of the Suffolk Traction Company ran down the center
of the street on their way to and from the LIRR station at Holtsville.
It branched off OLD North Ocean Avenue at the southeast corner of Canaan
Lake and headed in a northwesterly direction, stubbing out at the woods
at the end of the paved road and a dirt trail (old ROW) continued on to
Holtsville station. The dirt trail was visible where it crossed Woodside
Avenue and then disappeared entirely at the latter-day site of the town
dump where it was completely obliterated. It picked up again in the
woods on the east side of Waverly Avenue just south of Katz's Farm which
was located directly south of the LIRR station in Holtsville. The ROW
ran along the edge of Katz's Farm so was not discernible.
But Traction Blvd. was always just that . . . . . it was NOT Ocean
Avenue or North Ocean Avenue or anything else. Dave Keller, LIRR
Historian 01/13/09
STEAM
ENGINE SPEEDS
During the late forties and early fifties, there
were occasional unofficial "speed records" set westbound
between PARK and HOLLIS. With no grade crossings west of Floral Park,
the temptation was great to open-em-up. The train sheets maintained at
PARK, QUEENS and HOLLIS would likely give-up-the-ghost on G-5s and K-4s
powered trains. 75 MPH and 80 MPH would occur from time to time. The C-LIners
would sometimes strut their horses and be worthy of a stopwatch.
As you may recall, the lead time on the "circuit was much greater
on the manned crossings than it is with the automatic gate/signal
protected crossings of today. The circuit was usually tripped about a
mile from the crossing which offered approximate one-minute protection
at 60 MPH. The whistle posts ('W') were set 1/4 mile from the crossing.
At 60 MPH, it took 15 seconds to travel that distance and to get out
that ---- ----- 0 ---- on the whistle or horn. At 70 MPH, that distance
(1320') would be covered in 12.8 seconds.
These "highball" trips were usually run in this fashion in the
later evening hours during the hours of darkness.
Pappy, St. George, UT
Fastest LIRR schedules Jamaica to Speonk, from
Timetable review:
May 1923 90 min...... 41.8 Mph
Oct 1925 88 min....... 42.8 Mph
June 1941 76 min...... 49.5 Mph
June 1946 79 min...... 47.6 Mph
June 1949 78 min...... 48.2 Mph
The last two specify via the Central Branch-- i.e. about 62.3 miles; the 1920s schedules may be via Manorville, 63.1 miles.
I have averaged the branches to obtain: = 62.7 miles. Calculations:
Steven Lynch
BROOKLYN
ARMY TERMINAL
During the years the BAT (Brooklyn Army Terminal) was in operation they used
their own motive power and possibly some LIRR as far as I know.
I've seen photos of Army engines down there. I do believe Bush just ran through or maybe just up to the BAT with interchange cars.
Bay Ridge yard was a LIRR switch job. LIRR handled all the floats, drilling, etc. NH ran the road trains. LIRR assembled them in the yard for NH power to get and run up the connecting. (NYCRR)
After BAT went civil, I doubt there were any customers that received cars inside anymore. Cross had 2 customers there that got cars on one of the piers. NEMCO I think it was (to lazy to go look up my own website) got the Port Authority PATH cars rebuilt there and the other got TOFC cars with trailers.
Photo from LIFE inside the Eastern portion of the BAT. Today there's a pair of LIRR P72s and a Bar-Gen sitting in there...they were used for an Elvis movie. Landlocked now.
Paul Strubeck 01/2009
The Brooklyn Army Terminal
utilized a track layout of modest proportions with a aggregate amount of
trackage totaling 17 miles, and could house over 1,250 cars of 40'
length and by referencing the map below, we can discern that the
Brooklyn Army Terminal property actually contained nine rail yards.
The Brooklyn Army Terminal
trackage could be accessed by locomotives on the Bay Ridge Division of
the New York New Haven & Hartford / Long Island Railroad's Bay
Bridge Branch at the southeastern corner of it's property, and by the
Bush Terminal Railroad at the north end of the property.
The left diagram shows the
extensive trackage layout at the Brooklyn Army Terminal and the adjacent
Long Island Rail Road /New York & New Haven Railroad 65th Street
Yard. Research: Philip M.
Goldstein Visit his terrific website: BROOKLYN
ARMY TERMINAL
Historic American Engineering Record (HAER) #NY202
The original providence of the map is given as Engineering News Record 1919.
BAT property annotated by Author: Philip M.
Goldstein
Brooklyn Army Terminal - 1926
Brooklyn Army Terminal - View N 1931 Fairchild Aerial Survey Photo
New York State Library archives
Brooklyn Army Terminal - LIRR 65th St.
Yard - View E 9/1968
BUSH
TERMINAL RAILROAD
Bush Terminal had two unique
advantages when compared to the other three Brooklyn based independent
or contract terminals (JSC, NYD & BEDT). The first of those two
advantages gave Bush Terminal a distinct edge over the other independent
contract terminals in Brooklyn, and that was their being able to
interchange with Class 1 railroads by means of a freight line jointly
owned by the New York, New Haven & Hartford and Long Island
railroads (the Bay Ridge Branch). The second advantage will be discussed
below.
This freight line ran through the
heart of Brooklyn and Queens and was known as the Bay Ridge Branch or
Bay Ridge Division of the NYNH&H / LIRR and terminates at the Bay
Ridge Yard at 65th Street and First Avenue. This route interconnects the
Bay Ridge Yard with Sunnyside and Fresh Pond Yards in Queens (and still
does to this day). At Fresh Pond Yard, an interchange existed with the
New York Connecting Railroad, which utilized the Hell Gate Bridge to
access the Oak Point Terminal in the Bronx as well as the rest of the
mainland United States. So, in all actuality, the Bush Terminal Railroad was
physically connected to the mainland US after 1916 (the year the Hell
Gate bridge was completed).
In addition to this interchange,
the Bush Terminal RR could also interchange with the South Brooklyn
Railway at the South Brooklyn Railway Yard located at 39th Street on
Second Avenue. The following schematic shows the connections and
interchanges of the Bush Terminal RR to the other railroads in Brooklyn
at the time. Please keep in mind, is it not to scale, and is a composite
of the various railroads and industries that operated throughout the
twentieth century, even though some of the businesses may not have
existed all at the same time.
Diagram/Research: Philip M.
Goldstein Visit his terrific website: BUSH
TERMINAL
BTRR car float #45 - Hoboken, NJ c.1940
A Mathieson tug, which Paul
Strubeck advises as most likely a fill in job. BTRR interchanged at 65th
Street NYNH&H/LIRR Yard. Being a contracted tow, it could be going
Port Ivory or any other private pier station in the Metro NY area. Info:
Philip M. Goldstein
Bush Terminal electric #23 at First
Ave. Brooklyn yard 6/07/1933 Archive:
Dave Keller
Bush Terminal 0-4-0T #4 - Brooklyn
10/13/1934 Archive: Dave Keller
Bush Terminal Idler Car #101 at 49th
St. and 1st Ave, Brooklyn c.1958 Archive:
Dave Keller
Bush Terminal Yard ladder tracks c.1958
Archive: Dave Keller
Bush Terminal #88 - 43rd St. Engine
House Brooklyn 7/22/1966
Archive: Dave Keller
NY Cross Harbor Railroad EMD NW-2 #58 movement at the Bush Terminal Warehouse
of NYCT ACF R10 #2992 at 41st Street & 2nd Ave, Brooklyn. Engine is on 41st Street c.1990 Archive: Wayne Koch
FARMINGDALE
AGRICULTURALROOTS
PHOTO
Farmingdale's agricultural roots are reflected in this circa 1940 scene looking north on Merritt Road near the intersection of Conklin Street (Hempstead Turnpike). The LIRR Central Branch crossing is in the foreground, and that of the Main Line is north of the intersection. Farmingdale Feed Co.
is also seen at the northeast corner of this intersection.
CONTINENTAL
BAKING COMPANY - HISTORY OF JAMAICA LIRR SPOT #16
The history of Jamaica spot #16!
1. The cross street is 170th St.
2. It was originally built in 1905-06 as a siding for the Shultz Bread
Company.
3. The siding never crossed 168th St. to the west but stopped some
distance (no idea how much) short of the street.
4. In 1924, a replacement siding was installed, Shultz Bread changed
ownership and the name was changed, according to Emery, to Continental
Baking Co. here was NO indication of another bakery name on his map
between the time of Shultz and the change to Continental. The siding for
the Continental Baking Co. (Wonder Bread) was located on the south side
of the tracks, west of Hillside, between 168th and 170th streets.
It was probably reworked (especially at the connection to the
main)
after the Jamaica-East Improvement project in 1930-31 when the ROW was
elevated from Jamaica through Union Hall St. and Hillside.
In 1925, the Continental Baking Company bought the Taggart Baking
Company of Indianapolis and “Slo-baked” "Wonder Bread"
soon became a national brand.
Pre
2004 Wonder Logo
The Continental Baking Company altered the course of bread forever
in the 1930's when it introduced sliced Wonder Bread. Sales were slow at
first as suspicious consumers were slow to accept a pre-sliced bread,
but convenience overruled apprehension and soon everyone wanted sliced
Wonder Bread on their dinner table. In 1995, Continental Baking was
bought by Interstate Bakeries Corp.
NEW
GONDOLA ORDER 2009
I was down in Fresh Pond the other day and saw a brand new LI gondola car numbered 6071. The Builder's decal said
"Ebenezer Car Company - Buffalo, NY".
Built date on the side of the car is 9/2008. It's a 66 foot car with cushion couplers on each end.
I was advised by one of my LIRR connections that these will be used in work train service, mostly for hauling ties.
They were shot on 1/3/2009 at Holban Yard.
Here is the first of fifteen to twenty new gondolas the LIRR will be receiving for work train service, mostly for ties. To my knowledge, this is the first new work equipment the LIRR has ordered in my lifetime.
LAST
OPERATION OF LIRR STEAM
LIRR
G5s # 35, #39, #50 Final Runs "Steam Specials"
#50
October 2, 1955
#39 October 8, 1955
#35 October 16, 1955
"Last Call" 10/16/1955
Archive: Art Huneke
LIRR G5s #50 FM C-Liner 2004 at Port Jefferson Station October 02, 1955 Photo: Robert Emery
LIRR G5s #39 "Last Steam Week" at Oyster Bay October 8, 1955 Photo: Art Huneke
Extra Engine Crew/Train Crew #2 left Jamaica Yard bound for
Hicksville with one coach. This, was the beginning of Operation: Changeover, the ceremony officially ending steam on the Long Island Railroad.
Hicksville South Siding LIRR #39 and P72
# 2924 10/08/1955
Photo:
Bill Slade Archive: Art Huneke
LIRR
G5s #35 and final "Steam Special" at Smithtown Station
ready to depart
on the very last LIRR steam train run, October 16,
1955. Photo: Art Huneke
END OF
STEAM CEREMONY
DEFINITIVE LIST October 8th, 1955
10/08/1955 Hicksville Engine #39
and car #2924 facing east & engine #35 and
car #2923 facing west. Later, Alco diesel
#1555 replaced #35 & #1556 replaced #39.
#1555 operated back to Riverhead with
#2923, but returned to Jamaica at 6:00pm with
a different car of the same type.
Photo: John Krause Archive: Gary Everhart
LIRR NEWS - Operation
Changeover
LIRR News Operation Changeover 9/29/1955 Archive: Dave Morrison
LIRR News Operation Changeover 10/04/1955
Archive: Dave Morrison
The LIRR End of Steam LIRR run having arrived at Hicksville early, bystanders and railfans alike gathered around to have a close up experience with
#39 as this was likely the last time they saw a steam locomotive. 10/08/1955
Archive: Art Huneke
October 8th, 1955 was a rainy day, depicting the sad day steam 'officially' ended on the Long Island Railroad. #35 (seen left) and #39 (seen right) each pulled a one car Boy Scout special to Hicksville, where a diesel took the coach, signifying the transition from steam to diesel. Happily, both engines survive today. Although each engine has different restoration plans, we each hope to bring back the rich history these engines made and wish the Oyster Bay Railroad Museum the best of luck with #35.
Archive: Art Huneke
LIRR "End of Steam"
memo to
Extra Crews schedule: 10/04/1955
Archive: Dave Morrison
LIRR
G5s #35 and final "Steam Special" at Port Jefferson Station
ready to depart on the very
last LIRR steam train run, October 16,
1955. FM C-Liner 2402 at trackside. Photo: Art Huneke
End-of-Steam Ceremony, LIRR, Hicksville, October
8, 1955:
The question of which locos and cars were involved comes up again and again: here is the definitive list (by Bill Slade),
Info: Art Huneke
50th Anniversary End of Steam Service - Along The Track 11/2005 Archive:
Dave Morrison
Final Runs "Steam Specials" LIRR
#35 passing St. James station October 16, 1955
Photo: John Krause
Last Steam Excursion Souvenir Ticket and Pass 10/16/1955 -
Archive: Art Huneke
SUNRISE
HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION
Sunrise Highway construction began around 1925
from Queens to Massapequa. It was extended to Great River in 1940 and
Patchogue in 1953. On the 1925 Freeport Aerial it looks as though Olive
Blvd was the name of the east/west road where Sunrise is approximately
today. It seems Merrick Road was the main east/west route along the
south shore until Sunrise was constructed.
Merrick Rd., Freeport 9/26/1946 view
SE NYS Archives
W SIGNS
ARE CALLED WHISTLE POSTS
PRR Whistle & Ring Sign 05/1927 Specs
PRR E6s #460 Wreck Train
at Old Southern Road, Laurelton 10/20/39 Archive: Dave
Keller
On April 27, 2005, the Federal Railroad
Administration (FRA), which enforces rail safety regulations, published
the final rule on the use of locomotive horns at highway-rail grade
crossings. Effective June 24, 2005, the rule requires that locomotive
horns be sounded at all public grade crossings at least 15 seconds, but
not more than 20 seconds before entering a crossing. This rule applies
when the train speed is below 45 mph (70 km/h). At 45 mph or above,
trains are still required to sound their horn at the designated location
(usually marked with a whistle post).
The pattern for blowing the horn remains two long, one short, and one
long. This is to be repeated as necessary until the lead locomotive
fully occupies the crossing. Locomotive engineers retain the authority
to vary this pattern as necessary for crossings in close proximity, and
are allowed to sound the horn in emergency situations no matter where
the location
RULE 14 (l) * – – o – Trains or engines approaching public highway
grade crossings shall sound the horn for at least 15 seconds, but no
more than 20 seconds before the lead engine enters the crossing. Trains
or engines traveling at speeds greater than 45 mph shall begin sounding
the horn at or about, but not more than, one-quarter mile (1,320 feet)
in advance of the nearest public crossing. Even if the advance warning
provided by the horn will be less than 15 seconds in duration. This
signal is to be prolonged or repeated until the engine or train occupies
the crossing; or, where multiple crossing are involved, until the last
crossing is occupied. 2. Approaching tunnels, yards, or other points
where railroad workers may be at work. 3. Passing standing trains
Info: Bob Anderson 09/30/2008
LIRR
EAST - WEST RULES
A train is superior to another train by right or direction. Right is conferred by train order and is superior to direction. Eastward regular trains are superior by direction to westward regular trains, unless otherwise specified.
Extra trains are inferior to regular trains.
Those are Rules S-71 and 73. Class is not included in the LIRR rules any more, only right and direction.
Look at superiority this way:
A regular train's authority is its timetable schedule. An eastward regular in the timetable is superior to a westward regular, unless otherwise specified. That unless otherwise specified would be a train order for instance, swapping superiority (Westward has right over eastward A to B).
Another premise to remember is that there is no superiority between two extra trains, though at a meet between two extras, the extra in the westward direction would take the siding, unless otherwise specified in the train order.
A work train for instance, that needed to run to Montauk would get a run order from SK2 to Montauk. All opposing westward regulars would not be concerned about that extra since the extra is inferior (it doesn't have a schedule in the timetable either). A meet order would have to be issued between a regular train and that extra OR the extra would have to clear the time and block of any opposing regular trains by not less than 5 minutes (that extra's crew would have to check out the timetable and look up the times of opposing regular trains).
Rule S-87 is also known as the "5 minute rule". It's a safety net that permits an inferior train to clear a superior train's time by not less than 5 minutes, if no meet order is issued.
In other words, if Train A was a superior train and Train B was an inferior train, if no meet order was issued between the two and they are both regular trains (they have a timetable schedule), Train B would have to clear Train A's time 5 minutes in advance of Train A's time at C Block Limit.
That's a real simple way to look at it. There's more information that's needed to fully understand the way things work in 251 manual block territory, but it sort of gives you a basic knowledge of the operation.
Info: Joe Tischner
LIRR Rule 5 used to require
an order for every meet, even between regular trains. Now Rule 89
requires "Form L's will be issued to establish meeting points" (without
exception) - same thing.
With orders required for all meets between regulars/extras, I can't
conceive of a scenario when "opposing westward regulars would not be
concerned about that extra".
This facet of Rule 5, and later Rule 89 seems specific to LIRR, although
it's equivalent can be found in PRR Timetable Special Instructions - the
possible germination of the LIRR wordage. Dave Barraza
EARLY
DIESELS OF THE SUNRISE TRAIL
In
February of 1925, the LIRR briefly tested Ingersoll-Rand diesel
demonstrator number 8835 at the request of the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Impressed by its thermal efficiency (30% versus 6%-8% from a steam
locomotive), the PRR contracted a team consisting of representatives
from General Electric, Ingersoll-Rand, and ALCo to produce diesel
locomotive serial number 6605, which would become LIRR #401. The
locomotive was completed in 1926 right around the time that the LIRR was
due to receive a trainload of spare parts from the GE plant in Erie, PA.
For reasons lost to history, there would have been some significant
delay in getting the locomotive and parts to Long Island if the LIRR
waited to receive the train at an interchange, so they opted to dispatch
their own crew to Erie to bring back the parts behind the new diesel. By
doing this, the LIRR became the first railroad in the world to operate a
diesel in road service.
LIRR #401 was not an ideal road service locomotive, however. As a boxcab
locomotive, the first point of contact in a collision would be the
engineer's control room (to call it a cab would be a stretch!). As a
result, the next few years saw the development of three other kinds of
diesel locomotive: the switcher, the road switcher, and the cab unit (or
carbody diesel). Photo: AA4 #403A No. 4th St Yd-Brooklyn
c.1937
The ALCo S-1, a switcher type locomotive, was the first locomotive order
in bulk for the LIRR. The first S-1 was delivered to Long Island in
1945. They were numbered 413 through 421 and delivered wearing the
standard black Pennsylvania paint. The S-1 boasted a 660 h.p. engine and
claimed a tractive effort rating of 29, 200 kN. The LIRR would own other
switchers, including several Baldwin units, but in terms of appearance
and performance, they were much the same as the S-1. What distinguished
the S-1 and these others as switchers was the long hood situated in
front of a cab with a flat panel behind it. This gave the engineer an
ideal view of cars behind him for coupling to and then switching cars.
Running the locomotive "glass-out," however, did not offer
much, if any, protection in the event of a collision.
Partly in response to this, ALCo developed its road switcher series,
which was suited for switching cars but also boasted the motive power
and safety specifications to work in main line service. The road
switcher situation an additional short hood behind the cab that,
according to ALCo, offered an equivalent amount of protection to the
long hood. The practice, however, was still to run these locomotives
long hood forward because several of the LIRR units had a Vapor-Clarkson
steam generator, for heating coaches, installed in the short hood. The
RS-1s, first delivered to the LIRR in 1948, brought a 1,000 h.p. engine
and a tractive effort of 34,000 kN. Numbered 461 through 469, they were
delivered in the same Pennsy-style scheme as the S-1s. These would be
complemented by the purchase of the RS-3s (numbered 1551 through 1560)
in 1955, which featured 1,600 h.p. and a tractive effort of 46,000 kN.
Then, the LIRR made some mistakes.
1951 saw the purchase of the Fairbanks-Morse H16-44, a road switcher
type locomotive that brought 1,600 h.p. and a tractive effort of 36,600
kN to the already impressive LIRR fleet. These were followed by the
purchase of F-M's C-liner locomotives, which were carbody diesels. The
design, pioneered by EMD in 1939 with its FT-series of locomotive,
situated the engine behind the cab such that running this locomotive in
reverse operation for road service was impossible. The CPA20-5s,
numbered 2001 through 2008, combined 2,000 h.p. with 36,000 kN of
tractive effort. They were followed by the CPA24-5s, which featured
2,400 hp. These were numbered 2401 through 2404.
All of the F-M locomotives were notorious gas and oil guzzlers and
featured still-unproven locomotive technology. The
"revolutionary" opposed-piston engine F-M installed was not
well-tested in locomotives and, in part because of this, the C-Liners
were essentially the DMs of the 1950s, requiring bail outs more often
than they completed their trips. F-M ceased locomotive manufacture in
1958, which is a large part of the reason that the LIRR sold off or
traded all of these locomotives by the early 1960s. Several went to ALCo
to cover part of the cost of the C420s and others were sold off to
various places. The most interesting home a C-Liner would find was a
merchant marine ship - at least one of the engines from a CPA24-5 found
a new home powering a small merchant marine vessel, which was (and still
is) the ideal home for an F-M opposed piston engine. Something tells me
the DMs won't find such interesting homes after LIRR is rid of
them... Info: Kyle Mullins 12/18/2007 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller
BARNEY,
PIG or MULE at SUNNYSIDE YARD, LI CITY SHOPS
A "pig", "mule" or "barney"
setup. (Note 1) The 2 rails between the running rails, are used by
a railed pusher to shove dead locos into shop area w/o catenary
overhead. No steam locos in Sunnyside what so ever. Info: K. F.
Groh Archive: Dave Keller
"Barney" in pit at Sunnyside Yard, LI City c.1958
Sunnyside Yard Shop
Facilities, LI City Map 05/20/46
"X" at right marks location of photo view west towards
turntable in background.
The “Multiple Unit Repair Shop” and
"Multiple Unit Inspection Pits" indicated on the Sunnyside
Yard Rendering c.1905 later became the engine
house, ash pits(?), and Barney locations respectively.
Could very well be that, in 1905, as there were NO dreams of GG1
locomotives at the time, everything WAS built for MU service. AND . . .
those pits could very well have been inspection pits, originally. Years
later, with the onset of B3 electrics, DD1 electrics and GG1 electrics,
usage was converted from MU service to locomotive service and the pits,
et. al. were refitted accordingly . . . Changing the inspection
purpose to dead engine pulling. Barneys are devices that come up from a
pit between the rails and engage the coupler and pull/push the car to
the desired spot. The Sunnyside one(s) are considered typical.
LIRR M1
TESTING in BRIDGEPORT, CT
The
location is at Jenkins Curve, Bridgeport. This is the
curve south of the station and the underjump the to former freight yard;
also the location where the "Federal" once came to grief. It
is a 6 degree curve, and about the sharpest on the line. Like most of
the curves on the line, it was laid out when the line was 4-tracked
about 1895, reflecting the rolling stol of that time, and boxed in
forever when the catenary bridges were built in 1914. The track centers
are very tight for such a sharp curve, with the required superelevation!
Some time in 1970, when LIRR had received about 100 M-1's, the M-2's
were on order, and the M-1a's were just being ordered, four pairs
of LIRR M-1's were sent to what was then the Metropolitan Region of
Penn Central. This was to give Metro an advance look at these cars, and
also for some clearance tests. Two pair of M-1's were towed
to Bridgeport by a pair of FL-9's, and parked at this location.
After a couple of P-C trains went by, the FL-9's uncoupled one pair and
ran it by at track speed (30) on the outer track, while the other pair
stood on the inner track.
This way they would be rolled toward each other. The Penn Central
clearance engineer (Greenlee?) had a set of small feelers, 6 inches
long, which he taped to the widest point on the standing cars. They were
not touched, so he was satisfied. Of course, while the M-1's had
the same shape as the M-2 they didn't have the same truck and
suspension. When the M-2's came, they had too much roll and the tip of
the pan almost touched the arm of one semaphore near
"Peck". That was why a few M-2's were sent to the Shea Stadium
test site on the LIRR, so that GE. could work on modifications to the
suspension. They hardly had room at their South Norwalk site for that
work.
The M-1's loaned to Metropolitan Region were briefly in passenger
service on the Harlem line, as well. Photo/Research: Hank
Raudenbush