Long
Island Rail Road Parlor Cars
by
Jack
Deasy |
New
premium express non-stop "Cannonball East/West" direct from Penn Station to
The Hamptons/Montauk and return with Hamptons Reserve Service. Issue
for May 29-September 2, 2013
This was the first
time in LIRR history that the Cannonball departed from Penn station. Prior
to this date on the timetable, the Cannonball had always departed from
Hunterspoint Avenue.
The first stop after
Penn was Westhampton, it did not stop at Jamaica as in prior years.
I was on that 1st
train from Penn in one of the 2 Hampton's Reserve cars. Reserve seating and
waiter/waitress service at your seat. No standees in the 2 Hampton's Reserve
cars.
The Cannonball was
soon becoming too popular and crowded. One train had 1,800 passengers
with 1200 seats! The LIRR had to limit the number of passengers on the
Cannonball to twelve cars and two DM locomotives. This year was the 1st time
since WWII that the LIRR did NOT run the Cannonball. Archive:
NRHS-LIST Steve Quigley |
The
Cannonball and the Long Island Railroad
by
Vincent Seyfried
Transcript
of Lecture Delivered on Sunday November
29, 1998 at
The East Hampton Library.
159 Main Street, East Hampton, NY 11937
Click
here for Lecture
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Heavyweight Cannonball
Era consists 1964 - 1968 Examples |
Train 22, Friday
09/04/1964
236 TECKAWITHA
235 COMMACK
234 RONKONKOMA
233 MINEOLA
232 PATCHOGUE
231 ONTEORA
230 MOHAWK CLUB
229 CUTCHOGUE
228 WANTAGH
227 QUOGUE
226 MONTAUK
225 CAYUGA CLUB
224 MASTIC
223 NOYACK
222 MANHASSET
221 AMAGANSETT
220 SETAUKET |
Train 22, Friday
08/19/1966
234 SAGTIKOS
233 COPIAGUE
232 AQUEBOGUE
231 TECKAWITHA
230 SENECA CLUB
229 NISSEQUOGUE
228 RONKONKOMA
227 CUTCHOGUE
226 SHINNECOCK
225 ONEIDA CLUB
224 ASHAROKEN
223 MONTAUK
222 PATCHOGUE
221 MANHASSET
220 SETAUKET |
Train 22, Friday
08/30/1968
234 IMPERIAL LAWN
233 IMPERIAL PATH
232 LAKE COUNTY
231 HAMILTON COUNTY
230 PINE FALLS
229 JEFFERSON COUNTY
228 IMPERIAL TRAIL
227 ONTEORA
226 SHINNECOCK
225 ONEDIA CLUB
224 ASHAROKEN
223 TECKAWITHA
222 COMMACK
221 MINEOLA
220 SETAUKET
[Note: "Line" numbers 234 thru 228 are lightweight cars.]
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Source: "The Route of the Weekend Chief" by Mike Boland in the Autumn 1995 issue of
"The Keystone". The numbers are reservation line numbers, not the actual car numbers.
Above are three actual LIRR consists from the Heavyweight Cannonball Era: 1964 through 1968 |
Jamaica - HALL Tower Train #12 Advance
Cannonball 7/20/1975 Photo/Archive: Richard Makse
PRR #120, owned then by George Pins, plus two others private cars bring up the rear of Train #12,
The Advance Cannonball, on July 20, 1975. #12
was Mr. Mac's train and personally greeted George and the other PV owners when the train was loading at Hunterspoint Avenue.
Back then, in the decades before 9/11,
Jamaica's roof was accessible by staff. Not so much today. And the landscape, in a much more crowded New York City, has lost the simplicity of the LIRR's.
Richard Maske
It ran in advance of the
Cannonball to carry the overflow of parlor car riders that didn't all fit on
the Cannonball. 15 cars on the Cannonball,
all sleepers used in parlor service, and still not enough seats during the
summer months! Info: Dave Keller
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Cannonball |
E51sa4 Cannonball Manorville Branch Eastport 1923
Archive: Dave Keller
First passing of the Cannonball over the newly completed railroad trestle
overpass that eliminated the old grade crossing at Rt. 112 (Medford Avenue).
Brooklyn Eagle 9/18/1940
Advance Cannonball 16 C-Liner 2402
5 PRR parlors, 6 coaches eastbound at Hicksville 7/10/1953 Archive: Mike
Boland
PA20-5 2007 and PRR Parlor Car "GLADE" near "B" Tower Bethpage 1957
J. P .Krzenski photo/Dave Keller archive |
FM 2002 Babylon 1957
Photo: Jules P. Krzenski
ALCO RS3 #'s 1553, 1552, coupled, are pulling 16 cars of all-parlor-car
train #22 the "Cannonball" eastbound for Montauk through Merillon Ave.,
Garden City Park, NY. on June 29, 1962. The open-end observation car
"Jamaica" (1st) is bringing up the rear of this Friday-only train. (George
E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive)
Parlor JAMAICA 17 car
Cannonball at Montauk 7/28/1962
Photo: George E. Votava
Archive: Dave Keller
Cannonball Train 22 RS3s 1553-1552 6-car eastbound passing
New Hyde Park 6/29/1962
Archive: Mike Boland
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Parlor Setauket Cannonball at
Montauk 1962
Collection: Dave Keller
RS3 #1552, #1551 All parlor Cannonball at Montauk
7/28/1962 -
Photo: George E. Votava Archive: Mike Boland
Cannonball ALCO's RS3 #1556-1557 at Rego Park
7/01/1966
(Zahn-Boland)
Cannonball ALCO's RS3 #1556-1557 at Rego Park
7/28/1966 (Zahn-Boland) |
SETAUKET #2038 Brightwaters
c. 1962
Photo: Steve Hoskins
C-Liner #2403 Cannonball at Montauk - Parlors SETAUKET and JAMAICA (right),
both with drumheads. Summer 1962 or 1963
(Krause-Morrison) The "Cannonball"
drumhead would be on the "SETAUKET" (car #2038). This observation car became
the 2nd "Jamaica" (car #99). Info: Dave Keller
Cannonball at Napeague Beach 7/1964
Photo: Ron Ziel
Cannonball C420 leased BAR - All sleeping cars out east in early
1970's Archive: Mike Boland |
Advance Cannonball eastbound at Floral Park 1969
Photo/Archive: Jim
Mardiguian |
Eastbound Cannonball C420 trio approaching Sayville in 1969
Photo/Archive: William H. Birkholz |
Cannonball - New Hyde Park 7/1974
(Votava-Boland) |
C420 #223 Cannonball at PD 1972
Photo: Dave Keller |
LIRR #207 Train #22 Cannonball at Hunterspoint Ave LI City 5/21/1965
Photo/Archive: Richard Makse |
Only a single ALCO #027 AGP-20
(later class L-1) was required to power "The Cannonball" since it only
carried 10 parlor cars. It gradually increased during May and June,
finally reaching its typical high-season consist of 17 heavyweights.
Sitting at Hunterspoint Avenue as its seated load begins boarding. On this
day May 21, 1965, it had a 19 man crew:
Engineer & Fireman
Conductor, 2 brakemen and one collector
18 parlor car attendants
1 parlor car supervisor
Many of the customers had three or four cocktails at $1.25 a drink as the
train made its first stop in Westhampton. The captains of industry in
impeccable suits with Brooks Brothers shirts and Florsheim Imperials
enjoyed a relaxing air-conditioned ride courtesy of George Pullman.
The Long Island Rail Road was still a part of the great Pennsylvania
Railroad and the parlor cars always made a buck. Info:
Richard Makse |
Nassau 1969 Photo: Rich Glueck |
Cannonball with 17 heavyweights Connetquot River, Oakdale
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Cannonball - Oakdale 7/1969 Photo/Archive: Brad Phillips |
Eastbound at Speonk for the Sunday westbound Cannonball
with two leased BAR units 1973 Photo/Archive: William H. Birkholz |
Two new MTA C420's
Roslyn Road crossing c.1970
Photo: Rich Glueck |
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Cannonball - West of Watermill - 7/1969
Photo/Archive: Brad Phillips |
The Cannonball, with 17 heavyweight
cars behind a pair of Alco C420 locomotives, bound for Montauk on a Friday
afternoon in the 1960s.
The train is approaching Maitland's Curve. Parlor observation car LIRR
2038 SETAUKET carries the markers.
Photo/Collection: Art Huneke |
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Cannonball - LIRR #225 Mineola 1968 Photo/Archive: Richard Glueck |
The
"Cannonball" bombing through Mineola at what appears to be 70 mph. The
photo of a "Yellow Bird", still in pastel blue and yellow, prior to MTA
repaint in a darker shade of blue and deeper yellow.
Note: The
PRR cars being used as lightweight parlor's. Richard Glueck
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Advance Cannonball eastbound C420 #224, Tavern Lounge Observation car
#2064 "Apaquogue" former Florida East Coast "Lake
Okeechobee". Summer
1972 East of Union Hall St. Station Photo/Archive: James Mardiguian |
Advance Cannonball eastbound of PD Tower c.1990
Photo/Archive: William H.
Birkholz |
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Patchogue c. 1980's view east
Photo: Mike Koehler |
Cannonball departing Montauk c.1985
Photo/Archive: John Scala |
Patchogue 1980's by MP53 crossing
Patchogue River view west
Photo: Mike Koehler |
LIRR Parlors passing JAY Tower 1968+ Photo/Archive: Richard Glueck |
LIRR Parlors passing JAY Tower 1968+ Photo/Archive: Richard Glueck |
LIRR #1560 at JAY Tower - 1968
Photo/Archive: Richard Glueck |
The Summer of 1968-1969 was a
transition year for East End LIRR parlor service. The heavyweight 28-1s
were being retired and replaced by ANYTHING the LIRR could get their hands
on: KCS, NH (PC) and PRR (PC) sleeping cars, which were used in parlor
service. The 28-1's and other heavyweights were retired in two
groups, I believe, in 1968 and 1969. In fact, the LIRR purchased a
good number of sleeping cars from the PRR/PC and the NH(PC).
PRR cars were still in Tuscan
Red with PENNSYLVANIA lettering, which the LIRR painted over with their
own Tuscan Red, via a patch job, before all the cars were repainted, but
not originally named in the 1970's. That happened a little later and
photos reveal the paint jobs to add a name over the old 20XX number.
NH cars were stainless steel and came in a variety of NH paint schemes
with one or two actually painted in the PC scheme. There were trains
with 28-1 heavyweights and "new" "lightweight" cars in the same consist,
but I believe this ended in 1969. Mike Boland |
LIRR #252 eastbound Cannonball at PD Tower c.1995
Photo/Archive: William H.
Birkholz |
LIRR Train #2798 "Cannonball" at Hunterspoint Ave., LI City
9/02/2011 Photo/Archive: Marc Glucksman
On Friday, September 2, 2011, DM30AC 516
leads train 2798 (Cannonball) to the Hunterspoint Avenue Station in Long
Island City, New York. Its signature drumhead logo is a unique feature
amongst scheduled commuter trains in the metropolitan New York Area. In
2013, the service would operate out of New York Penn Station for the first
time, and still does today. Marc Glucksman |
Cannonball Train #2798 eastbound JAY Tower 9/02/2022 Photo/Archive: Jason
Baxter |
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Ritual
of The Cannonball |
The "Ritual of The Cannonball", Train #22 on July 18, 1969. Arriving in
Jamaica, the conductor bails off and starts to walk to the end of Platform
E. |
"Wait for the pullup" to platform #22, running this day with 15 cars, you
needed 66L at HALL to pull you nearly to the door of the tower. |
The leverman at HALL on the left met the conductor and delivered THE
Friday order, one of the few typewritten orders on the LIRR. Prepared by a
clerk in the Superintendent's office as soon as the engine dispatcher gave
the engine numbers. Nearly the same words during the 60's, 70's and 80's.
Fridays in the summer meant big-time manual block. The leverman has #18's
order in his pocket and will await the arrival of the "East Ender". |
A typical Form 19 order from May 1976, for example. |
Form A card from May 28, 1976 at which
point Train #22 became #16. |
One of Mr. Mac's (Walter F. McNamara, Director of
Special Services) attendants stands at attention awaiting the connection
from New York. |
Jamaica Station Platform E
Non-stop express service direct from
Penn Station to Westhampton |
Photos/Archive/Captions
by Richard F. Makse |
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Parlor and Club Cars |
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Parlor MANHATTAN builder photo -1885
George E. Votava collection, Dave Keller archive Note: A private car
used by the president of the LIRR. |
Pullman wooden Parlor Car #789 - 1902 Archive: Dave Keller |
AMAGANSETT “rearmost, properly
pointed” westbound Sunday evening from Greenport to Jamaica at Yaphank
8/15/1971 Photo/Archive: William H. Birkholz |
Parlor #2017 Aquebogue -
Richmond Hill storage yard
3/31/1962 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Observation #2082 Asharoken
Rail and Sail Special
Greenport 10/21/1979
Dave Keller archive |
Parlor Asharoken
interior 1974
Photo/Archive: Dave Keller
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Parlor #2015 Cutchogue at
Montauk
7/04/1963 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2022 Islip at Montauk
7/28/1962 (Votava-Keller) |
Club Car #816 Jamaica
7/13/1958 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor 1st Jamaica at Montauk
7/1962 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2000 1st Jamaica
Train #22 -Cannonball
at Merillon Ave 6/29/1962 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor 1st
Jamaica Cannonball at
Easthampton 9/1962 Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor #99 2nd JAMAICA - MTA scheme at storage yard
Richmond Hill
11/03/1973 George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive |
Ex-FEC LAKE OKEECHOBEE on the
rear of the Cannonball at Hunterspoint Ave 07/1969 Photo/Archive: Jim Gillin |
LAKE OKEECHOBEE ex-FEC 1969 Photo/Archive: Jim Mardiguian -
The Cannonball with a string of PRR Pullmans and the FEC Lake Okeechobee
bringing up the markers. |
Cannonball Parlor observation Setauket at Jamaica 1960's Photo: Suzanne
Boorsch |
Parlor Massapequa #2026
at Montauk 7/28/1962
George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive |
Parlor Massapequa #2026
interior 4/24/1966
Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor #2049 2nd Massapequa
at Montauk
8/29/1970 (Votava-Keller)
MORE Parlor Car Interiors |
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Parlor Mattituck #2066
- Richmond Hill storage yard 11/03/1973 George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller
archive |
Parlor Merrick Cannonball at
Patchogue 1/1972 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor #2030 Mineola at
Montauk 7/28/1962
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Club #2033 Mohawk Stadium Yard, Philadelphia, PA
12/07/1963
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2011 2nd Montauk at
Montauk
1963 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Moriches Train #4 -
Patchogue 7/1971
Photo/Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor #2019 Moriches at
Montauk 7/28/1962
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Napeague at Montauk
6/22/1975
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2039 Nesconset at
Montauk 1969
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2031 Nissequogue
Richmond Hill
storage yard 2/12/1966
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Club #2036 Oneida at
Montauk
1969
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2035 Onondaga Club at
Montauk
1960 (Edwards-Keller) |
Parlor Club #2035 Onondaga at Montauk
7/04/1963
(Votava-Keller) |
Private Car #2002 3rd Oyster Bay
at Oyster Bay 1/03/1959 (Votava-Keller) |
Club Car Oyster Bay
#2002 - Oyster Bay yard 1/03/1959
(Votava-Keller) |
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Parlor Patchogue #2020 at
Montauk Yard 5/15/1966
(Rugen-Keller) |
v
Parlor #2013 Peconic at
Montauk
7/28/1962 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2053 2nd Peconic at
Montauk 8/29/1970 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Poquott Shelter Island
Express - Greenport 8/1971 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor #2018 Quogue -
Richmond Hill storage yard
5/26/1968 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2018 Quogue
Weekend Chief logo 5/26/1968 (Votava-Keller) |
v
Parlor #2021 Ronkonkoma at
Montauk 7/28/1962
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor 2nd Sagtikos
Train #3 Patchogue 7/1972 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor Salonga #2076 -
Richmond Hill storage yard
7/1973 (Gibbs-Keller) |
Parlor Club #2034 Seneca at
Montauk-7-4-63
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Observation #2038 SETAUKET - Cannonball -
c.1962 |
Parlor 2nd Setauket
Shelter Island Express Greenport 8/1971 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor Smithtown at Port
Jefferson 9/02/1937
George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive |
Parlor Club Car Smithtown at
Morris Park 5/1940 George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive |
Parlor Club Car #828 South Shore Patchogue 9/25/1938
George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive |
Private Car #2003 4th South
Shore - Speonk Yard 7/04/1963 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Teckawitha #2047 at
Montauk 1965
George E. Votava photo, Dave Keller archive |
Parlor Tuscarora Club
Philadelphia Stadium Yard Philadelphia, PA 12/1963 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor
Tuscarora Club Port
Jefferson 1968
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Tuscarora Club on "Ebb
Tide" Patchogue - 1969 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor Tuscarora Club Train
#4 Patchogue
6/1971 Photo/Archive: Dave Keller |
Parlor #2057 Wickapogue -
Montauk 9/07/1970 (Votava-Keller) |
Parlor Wunneweta - Montauk
7/28/1974
(Votava-Keller) |
Parlor #2023 WYANDANCH at Riverhead Yard c.1963 Archive: Mike Boland |
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Parlor car workers in the early 1950's
LI Railroader Archive: Mike Boland |
Manager of Special Services Walter F. McNamara parlor car workers
c.1960 Archive: Mike Boland |
Parlor #2023 Wyandanch at
Montauk 9/01/1962
(Votava-Keller) |
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BAILEY'S BEACH ex-NH Pullman sleeper Montauk
c.1968 (Maywald-Boland) |
MERRICK ex-NH Pullman sleeper Montauk c.1972 (Maywald-Boland) |
CRESCENT BEACH ex-NH Pullman sleeper
Montauk c.1968 (Maywald-Boland) |
RACE POINT ex-NH Pullman sleeper
Montauk c.1968 (Maywald-Boland) |
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Parlor ex-NH Rocky Neck Beach
- Shelter Island Express Train #205 at BLS - Mattituck 8/10/1970
(Makse-Keller) |
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These cars are former New
Haven “POINT” 500 number series 14 roomette 4 double bedroom sleeper that
had Penn Central logos placed on the rectangular panels on the side of the
car, replacing the New Haven logos. The seven POINT’s acquired by LIRR were
503, 506, 509, 512, 518, 520 and 525. Penn Central absorbed New Haven
operations on 12/31/1968. These were leased to the LIRR in 1968. |
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After the demise of the
LIRR parlor cars, the 'Hamptons Reserve' program was an effort to
market that minimal accommodation to a crowd that was more
accustomed to the luxury of traditional parlor car service. It
provides reserved seats, single serving gin bottles and crackers.
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"Sunrise Fleet" - Push-Pull
Parlor Cars |
FA2 #607 All Parlor Car Push-Pull Train WB Over Mill Creek (Hashamomuck
Pond) W. of Greenport - 1988 (eBay)) W. of Greenport - 1988 |
GP38-2 #275 pulls a parlor-car train east past PD tower in Patchogue on
1/7/1990. The lead car with the red stripe is the parlor. The cars behind
it, with the blue stripe, are regular passenger cars. Dave Keller archive |
Overall view of parlor car #2016 at Speonk, NY - c. 1989
(Tom Collins photo, Dave Keller archive) |
MORE Push-Pull Parlor Cars |
Push-pull Parlors were rebuilt former MU trailer cars
converted to diesel-hauled push-pull service (Class PP72B). The red stripe
indicated it was later rebuilt into a parlor car. Regular push-pull
passenger cars had a blue stripe. The eleven red striped cars were
originally built as 123 seat multiple unit (MU) motor trailer cars (Class
MP72T). They now feature 42 parlor seats with a midcar service bar. Referred
to as the "Sunrise Fleet." Unlike their predecessors, these cars were not
named. The entire fleet of push-pull parlors debuted on the Memorial Day
weekend of 1976, to Montauk, for the inauguration.
Info: Mike Boland/Dave Keller |
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Parlor
Car/Club Car Memos |
LIRR Refreshment Service on trains memo from
Passenger Traffic Mgr. H.A. Weiss 5/12/1960 Archive: RMLI |
LIRR Passenger Tariff - Special Club Cars 12/27/1962
General Passenger Agent H.M. Throop Archive: RMLI |
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Cannonball Sunday Evening Dining Car Service c.1965+ aboard
T54 #6508 that was a coach-bar car. Archive: Brad Phillips |
LIRR Weekend Chief TUSCARORA Club Dinner menu 1962-65 Archive: Mike Boland |
Parlor
Car/Club Car Premium Service
Historical
Research: Derek Stadler |
Throughout its
history, the LIRR has provided premium service on select Montauk Branch
trains at a special price. Rolling stock featured luxurious amenities in
a parlor or club car where some of the rich and famous hobnobbed on their
summer trip to the East End. Speonk Station was a stop on many of the
premium trains from their inception to the end of the twentieth century.
In their heyday,
parlor car consists included the following named-trains. For eastbound
service to Montauk in the summer of 1939, the weekday morning Hampton
Express from Jamaica (train number 8) stopped in Speonk at 11:25 a.m. It
ran as number 10 on Saturdays, and as number 6 on Sundays, direct from New
York’s Penn Station following a locomotive switch in Queens from electric
to steam. There were also two late afternoon trains daily. The first was
the Cannon Ball from Penn Station (number 20) with a stop in Speonk at
5:36 p.m. The second was the South Shore Express from Penn Station
(number 26) with a stop in Speonk at 6:18 p.m. The Shinnecock Express
from Penn Station (number 12) ran only on Saturdays, stopping in Speonk at
2:23 p.m. Westbound from Montauk, the daily South Shore Express to Penn
Station (train number 27) stopped in Speonk at 9:50 a.m. In the afternoon
the New York Express to Penn Station (number 5) stopped in Speonk at 3:57
p.m. Lastly, there were two evening named-trains. The daily Cannon Ball
to New York (number 21) stopped in Speonk at 7:52 p.m. and the Hampton
Express to Jamaica (number 9) stopped at 8:22 p.m. On Saturday number 21
ran as number 11 to Jamaica.[52]
Parlor car service to
Montauk was thoroughly revised in the summer of 1963, with some departures
now leaving from Hunterspoint Avenue Station rather than Jamaica. Direct
service was longer provided to and from Manhattan after the
discontinuation of electric locomotives in the early-1950s. All
passengers from Penn Station were now required to change to electric
trains, typically at Jamaica Station, since smoke restrictions prohibited
diesel trains from entering the East River tunnels. The daily Cannon Ball
from Jamaica (number 24) stopped in Speonk at 6:09 p.m., running express
to Sayville Station then local to Montauk. However, on Fridays the Cannon
Ball ran express to the Hamptons from Jamaica. The Advance Cannon Ball
(number 16) departed Jamaica at 3:42 p.m. and ran express to Speonk,
arriving at 4:57 p.m. Two other named trains provided service to Speonk
on late Friday evenings. The East Ender (number 26) and the Weekender
(number 28). For the return ride on Sundays, the Ebb Tide (number 4007),
the Twilighter (number 4015), and the Beachcomber (number 4017) serviced
Speonk in the late afternoon and early evening.[53]
The final summer of
parlor car service was 1999. The following year Hamptons Reserve Service
became the new premium, available only east of Speonk. On the final
timetable in the summer of 1999, the Friday train to Montauk (number 2716)
leaving Jamaica at 6:17 p.m. featured parlor car service and arrived in
Speonk at 7:55 p.m. There were also two Sunday trains from Montauk with
parlor cars that stopped in Speonk, number 8703 at 2:53 p.m. and number
8713 at 8:47 p.m.[55]
Club cars were also
available for private use. Beginning in the 1920s, cars were rented to
commuter groups on several LIRR branches. Riders paid two fares, one for
the right to ride and one for the right to ride in luxury. By the
late-1950s, a private club car ran to and from Speonk for a $695 monthly
rental fee. It featured card tables, a porter, and a white-jacketed
waiter serving cups of tea or glasses of ginger ale since there was no
liquor license.[56]
Although there were
four private club cars in the 1950s, there were only two by 1980. One of
these ran to and from Speonk and Hunterspoint Avenue. By this time, the
club cars were from the mid-1970s re-conditioned parlor car stock. It
featured red-and-black movable padded chairs, a toilet, and interior walls
covered with carpet. The monthly fee was now $958, except in summer when
twenty percent was taken off the price since the cars were given up and
used for East End parlor service on summer Friday evenings. The group
consisted of sixty members, each paying $200 per year, most of whom were
stock brokers, investment bankers, and architects.[57]
To satisfy commuter
thirst for spirits, bar cars were added to LIRR trains. On March 24,
1960, a bar car was added as the fourth car of train number 40 to Speonk
which departed Hunterspoint Avenue at 5:14 p.m. Initially, it was largely
ignored and only attracted half the business of other bar cars. However,
business improved and the car drew a regular contingent. By 1962, the new
group of friends organized a Christmas party. Each commuter contributed
$3 in advance and the total was sent to Walter F. McNamara, manager of
special services and unofficial vice-president in charge of booze. While
railroad cars hosted proms and other events in the past, this was the
first Christmas party. Commuters decorated the interior with tinsel and
wreaths and hired a three-piece band that played the latest dance craze,
the twist. The tradition continued for several years. By 1965, more than
a hundred commuters paid $6 each for a Christmas party.[58]
Speonk Bound Bar Cars: Although the
Speonk bar car was crowded daily, the LIRR eliminated it in late March of
1971. Officials claimed some regular commuters complained that they were
paying for “someone else’s ride” since many crammed into the bar car where
it was difficult for conductors to collect fares. While bar sales
provided more than $750,000 in profit, the railroad lost more than $10
million a year in passengers riding free, many of them who allegedly spent
most of the time in the bar car. In place of the car, stainless-steel
rolling carts were installed in several coaches to serve morning coffee
and food on the 6:18 a.m. train to Hunterspoint Avenue (number 33) and
liquor and snacks on train number 40. The change allowed the railroad to
collect passenger fares since there was no room to crowd around carts.[59]
Passengers responded
immediately, blasting the portable carts. One major commuter complaint
was that the carts came off the train at Babylon Station since it had the
last raised platform at train level. This left the remainder of the ride
a “dry run.” Within a week, the bar car was back. The railroad retracted
their former reason and claimed that several cars were taken off for much
needed repairs. Whether the result of passenger reaction or because the
cars really needed to be serviced, riders were “set up” again.[60]
After the revival of
the Speonk bar car, the MTA stated that it was not buying any more bar
cars and the eighteen in service would not be replaced. Nevertheless, as
the 1970s and 1980s progressed, bar cars became very popular. While some
commuters read newspapers or books, others drank scotch or beer on the
evening ride to Speonk. John Swensen, a UPS driver from Sayville, held
high regard for the LIRR’s alcohol service in a Newsday
interview. “I love this railroad,” he said “every night I ride the [bar]
car…by the time I get to God’s Country, I’m happy again.” He also
commended the fees: “look at those prices, an ounce and a half of scotch
for a $1.15…where else can you get that, but on the LIRR; this is the only
place to drink, let me tell you.” Lastly, he recommended that they never
be discontinued: “it’s like a big party, people have a shot or two on the
train, it takes away the frustration of the day…they get off at their
station, they’re happy again…they give their wife a big kiss, everything
is beautiful…if they ever cut out this car, you’d have a terrible mess out
there.”[61]
The camaraderie among
riders carried over into time off the train. By 1980, organized softball
games were played between different bar cars. In one of the first, the
5:14 p.m. Hunterspoint Avenue train to Speonk (number 44) beat the the
5:57 p.m. Hunterspoint Avenue train to Speonk (number 46) by the score of
12 to 4 in a game at Heckscher State Park. Railroad personnel also
participated. E.G. Smalls, number 44’s bartender, played in the game and
commented: “this is the hardest train on the LIRR…we party five days a
week.”[62] A short time later a softball league for LIRR riders was
established and began play on April 12, 1981, with LIRR President Gabreski
throwing out the first pitch. The concept of a league came from Michael
Vermeulen, an over-the-counter stock options trader, who rode train number
46. Vermeulen said the idea was born out of the commuter’s worst enemy,
boredom. With softball advertisements in several train cars, a total of
six teams were established.[63]
In all, commuters
liked the friendly, hometown tavern atmosphere that took their minds off
what they said was poor train service. Willie Wilson, a former Pullman
porter who was now manager of the LIRR beverage service system, said the
cars kept families together. He commented in a Newsday article:
“the wife don’t have to wait for the husband…if the husband gets a drink
on the train, he don’t stay in New York, and the wife has got him right
there at the station when he gets off… it helps keep families
together.”[64] However, a state comptroller’s audit issued in January
1979 cited that bar cars lost money and called for their abolition. In
1976, bar cars were $548,000 in the red and in 1977 the number was
$255,000. Although revenue increased sixteen percent in the first quarter
of 1978, bar cars lost $120,000 in total for the year. The audit also
pointed out that if commuters drank just eighteen percent more the LIRR
beverage service system would break even.[65]
Rather than drop bar
cars, the railroad tried to make them more profitable. One approach was
to get rid of nonproductive bar cars. One bar car removed was on the 4:46
p.m. Hunterspoint Avenue train to Speonk (number 42). The railroad also
reassigned bar carts to more profitable trains and closed two of its three
sites for storing liquor and food. To turn an even greater profit, prices
were raised by ten to fifty cents an item in April 1981 to keep up with
rising costs of supplies and labor.[66]
By 1981, the railroad
managed to make a profit in beverage service. With seven bar cars in
service, including train number 44, and several bar carts system-wide, the
profit was $33,423 in 1980 and $28,218 in 1979.[67] However, by the late
1980s bar cars were phased out. In the 1990s there was only one in
service, the 5:44 p.m. Hunterspoint Avenue train to Port Jefferson (number
664). It also was discontinued with the arrival of a new fleet of cars at
the turn of the twenty-first century.[68] Excerpt Courtesy of
Derek Stadler
Speonk and Remsenburg: A History of Rail Service
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Parlor
Car Timetables/Brochure |
Parlor Car East Timetable - 1965 Archive: Paul Strubeck |
Parlor Car East Timetable - 1966 Archive:
Brad Phillips |
Parlor Car East Timetable - 1967 |
LIRR Parlor Car Schedule westbound
5/24/1973 Archive: Jeff Erlitz |
LIRR Parlor Car Schedule eastbound
5/24/1973 Archive: Jeff Erlitz |
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Sunrise Fleet 1976 Parlor Car East Travel Guide
Archive: Mike Boland |
Parlor Car Menus |
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Special Services Department -
Parlor Car Menu c.1965 Archive: Ed Frye |
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"A Day in the Life" of a
Special Services Attendant |
Special Services Dept. Supply Requisition Form - Parlor #2050 MASTIC -
Train #12 4/23/1975 Archive: Ed Frye
I retrieved this
unique piece (onboard LIRR 2050) in the early-morning hours of November
23, 1975, when I photographed parlor Mastic in (retirement) storage
at Montauk yard. The form was folded in "thirds", and the attendant
(thus) used the reverse side to itemize what his passengers ordered in the
way of drinks and snacks enroute to their East End destinations... Ed Frye
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Special Services Dept. Supply Requisition Form back - Parlor #2050 MASTIC
- Train #12 4/23/1975 Archive: Ed Frye
Bedroom "A": Southampton;
unidentified drinks / peanuts
Bedroom "B": unoccupied
Bedroom "C": Southampton; 2 colas (?) / cheese &
peanuts
Bedroom "D": Montauk; Gin-and-Tonic. Westhampton:
Bloody Mary
Roomette 1: Quogue; no order
Roomette 2: East Hampton; no order
Roomette 3: East Hampton; no order
Roomette 4: unoccupied
Roomette 5: Quogue; Scotch
Roomette 6: Bridgehampton; no order
Roomette 7: Hampton Bays; no order
Roomette 8: Montauk; no order
Roomette 9: Bridgehampton; no order
Roomette 10: Bridgehampton; Vodka Tonic
Roomette 11: East Hampton; no order
Roomette 12: Amagansett; Ginger Ale / peanuts
Roomette 13: Southampton; no order
Roomette 14: Easthampton; Bourbon-and-Soda |
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Parlor car operations (heavyweight
as well as light weight), bar car operations and bar cart operations as
well as the three (3) commissaries set up to stock these operations (Penn
Station under a set of platform stairs, Richmond Hill Storage Yard and the
east end of Jamaica station at street level next to the elevators) all
fell under the jurisdiction of Special Services, offices of which were
housed at the Richmond Hill Storage Yard.
Special Services Parlor Car drink list order card 1973-74 (above right):
Archive: Dave Keller MORE Special Services:
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Train #18
to Montauk |
During the Summer of 1978, "I made it my mission" to cover Train #18, the Friday night eastbound run to
Montauk featuring the last three "survivors" of ex-intercity cars running
in LIRR parlor car service...Aquebogue, Tuckahoe, and Asharoken (marshaled
in that exact order, "west" to "east"). I
recovered from Tuckahoe, once a barbershop/lounge, this brochure
showcasing the LIRR's
"Sunrise Fleet" of P72-converted parlor cars. The NRHS Tri-State Chapter, in
their Block Line publication (now entitled Railspace Magazine),
published my accounts of Number 18 that summer. Ed Frye |
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Parlor Cars East Timetable - 1978 Archive: Ed Frye
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Train #18, led by LIRR #275, eastbound approaching a grade crossing in
Center Moriches. 7/21/1978 Photo/Archive Ed Frye |
Train #18 equipment Tuckahoe (left) and Asharoken laying-over at Montauk.
7/29/1978. Photo/Archive Ed Frye
The eastbound cars
trailing Aquebogue, Tuckahoe, and Asharoken were all
"standard-fare" P-72 coaches; a bar-generator car may have been
"sandwiched" in between them. There were no "power packs" in
the lineup. Montauk. 7/29/1978. Photo/Archive
Ed Frye
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Brass tag (inspection/servicing) attached to an
overhead steam heat regulator beneath Tuckahoe. One time ex-UP in Los
Angeles, CA
10/1966 Photo/Archive Ed Frye
Outside swing hanger, disc brake with Canton “I”
beam equalizer trucks identical to the trucks under my private car MOUNT
VERNON (former UP “PACIFIC ISLAND”). Disc brake equipped lightweight
passenger cars were a rarity on LIRR. Info: John Deasy |
Minimum
Parlor Car Ticket Requirements |
The conductor's/trainman's fare card for minimum parlor car ticket
requirements, effective March 30, 1972. All of the heavyweight cars were
gone and replaced with lightweights EXCEPT for P74EL #2037, the Onteora
(formerly Tuscarora Club). Archive: Jeff Erlitz |
This document is guidance to
Conductors and Trainmen as to what charges (coach fare + parlor car seat
charge) must be collected from passengers occupying parlor space. It is
also something they could show to passengers in case they had any
questions about what charges are applicable.
It covers the accommodations
available for sale in the lightweight parlor fleet in the 1968-1975 era,
plus the heavyweight 2037 TUSCARORA CLUB.
Seats in the lounge found in former B&O, EL, FEC, PRR and UP cars.
Swivel Chairs found only in 2037 TUSCARORA CLUB.
Open Sections found in former NH cars.
Roomettes found in former KCS and NH cars.
Double Bedrooms found in former B&O, KCS, NH and PRR cars) required
payment of 2 coach fares + 2 parlor seat charges.
Compartments found only in former PRR ‘IMPERIAL” 4-4-2 sleepers) required
payment of 4 coach fares + 4 parlor car seat charges.
Drawing Rooms found only in former PRR ‘IMPERIAL” 4-4-2 sleepers) required
payment of 4 coach fares + 4 parlor car seat charges.
The larger private rooms are
more expensive, as you would expect.
Some passengers would have bought their ticket in advance from a station
ticket agent, while others would pay a cash fare on the train. I think the
majority reserved their parlor seat in advance, but I’m sure there were
some walk-ups who asked the train crew if there were any unsold parlor car
space available for occupancy. Info: Jack
Deasy
Long
Island Rail Road Parlor Cars
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Drumheads |
Cannonball Drumhead - 1962
Cannonball Drumhead - 1968
Drumhead c.1985
Photo: Art Huneke
Drumhead c.1985
Photo: Art Huneke
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GP-38 #259 at Greenport zoom 7/23/1994
Archive: Carol Mills
LIRR 170th Anniversary drumheads Sunner 2004
Two locomotives are assigned to the
Cannonball as this
is the longest C3 train that the LIRR runs - now 12 cars - since it has
been operated through from Penn Station or previously from Hunterspoint
Avenue (east on Friday, west on Sunday evenings)
Each DM/DE 30 got a drumhead sign placed on the front end. What made the
2004 signs interesting is that both were different instead of an identical
pair placed on both DM/DE 30 units. Info: Mike McEnaney |
Reserved-seat service on the first 3 cars
of the Cannonball during the summer, includes bar and snack cart
service. c.2010
Non-stop express service direct from
Penn Station to Westhampton Beach May-September, 2013
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//Cannonball drumhead Speonk 2004 zoom
(Colllins-Keller) |
Jamaica 5/25/2005
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"Reverse Cannonball" LIRR #502 Train #8717 westbound at Sayville
7/21/2019 Photo/Archive: Neil Feldman |
LIRR #514 at Penn Station 4/18/2013
The LIRR is announcing plans for the first non-stop express service direct from Penn Station to Westhampton Beach this summer. The ride will take 94 minutes. |
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LIRR's Cannonball train
returns for summer service
Our express train to the Hamptons and
Montauk is back.
Long Island
Rail Road
May 25, 2023Ditch the
traffic on your trips Out East this summer — our popular express train
to the Hamptons is back!
The Long Island Rail Road’s Cannonball will make its seasonal return
on Friday, May 26. It departs Penn Station at 4:07 p.m. and runs
express to Westhampton, followed by Southampton, Bridgehampton, East
Hampton, and Montauk.
The train will run every Friday through Labor Day Weekend. It’ll also
run Monday, July 3, for those getting away for the July 4 holiday.
Please note that the Cannonball does not stop at Jamaica. Customers
traveling from Grand Central can take the 4:25 p.m. Ronkonkoma train
and transfer at Jamaica for the 4:48 p.m. train to Montauk. If you’re
transferring from Metro-North, consider using the Combo Ticket.
If you’re getting an earlier start to your weekend, consider taking
the Friday-only 1:15 p.m. train from Hunterspoint Avenue to Montauk,
stopping at Jamaica at 1:33 p.m. Take the 1:08 p.m. train from Penn
Station or the 1:02 p.m. train from Grand Central to connect with this
train.
We also offer extra service on the Montauk Branch throughout the day
on Friday and on weekends. For the return trip on Sunday, we recommend
leaving later in the evening to avoid large crowds.
If you’re bringing luggage, please stow it in the overhead racks or
place it on the floor, do not block aisles or put it on the seats.
Bicycles are not allowed on the Cannonball or on peak trains.
Customers are strongly advised to buy tickets in advance. You can buy
them in the TrainTime app, or at ticket machines and offices in Penn
Station. If you already have a monthly or weekly ticket, you can use
it by paying an additional surcharge to the conductor.
Use the TrainTime app to plan your trip or chat with our customer
service representatives, who are available daily between 6:00 a.m. and
10:00 p.m. MTA
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2023 Season Cannonball Drumhead |
Deep below Manhattan on the Friday before Memorial Day weekend, DM30AC 502
takes the first Cannonball, Train #16, of the season out of Penn Station,
with a full load of travelers bound for the Hamptons and Montauk.
(5/26/23) Photo/Archive: Thomas Farmer |
First run Cannonball Train #16 passing Woodhaven Blvd 5/26/2023
Photo/Archive: Caleb Fossum |
Memorial Day weekend featuring
today's Cannonball making its first seasonal eastward express run,
5/26/2023, from Penn Station for the 2023 Summer Season: (New) Train #16
4:07 PM - Leaves Penn Station
5:41 PM - Westhampton
6:03 PM - Southampton
6:13 PM - Bridgehampton
6:25 PM - East Hampton
6:48 PM - Montauk
The Cannonball is one of the longest diesel train that the LIRR operates -
12 C3 cars with two DM30 locomotives on either end - requiring 6+6 double
stops at intermediate stations. Mike McEnaney
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The Trains of Summer
Seasonal passenger services bring people to their happy
places
Ellis Simon May 31,
2023
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Memorial Day Weekend marks the unofficial start of
the summer season. It is also when The Cannonball, the Long Island Rail
Road’s seasonal Fridays-only express train from Penn Station to the
Hamptons and Montauk returns to the rails. The train makes the 117-mile
run in two hours and 41 minutes, stopping only in Westhampton,
Southampton, Bridgehampton, and East Hampton before reaching Montauk.
The Cannonball is enormously popular with New
Yorkers, especially singles, looking to get away from the city for a
weekend of socializing, catching a few rays, and distressing. It runs 12
cars long and is powered by 3,000 horsepower DM-30AC locomotives at both
ends.
In fact, it may be too popular. Due to its
length, it must make two stops at each station. Even with 1,500 seats it
frequently is so overcrowded that the Federal Railroad Administration has
investigated complaints in prior years. Although the situation eased
during the COVID pandemic, Cannonball ridership could climb again now that
restrictions have been lifted.
Riders who want to avoid The Cannonball’s mob
scene can choose from one of six other trains running to the East End on
summer Fridays. Alternatively, the well-heeled can pay an additional $20
fare for a reserved seat in one of the train’s last two cars, where they
can avail themselves of full bar service.
Between 1957 and 1972 the LIRR acquired
approximately 75 second-hand parlor cars, sleeping cars, club cars, lounge
cars, and observation cars that were made surplus by the decline in rail
travel.
The Cannonball, which dates to 1899, was an all
parlor-car train in the 1960s and 1970s. Between 1957 and 1972 the LIRR
acquired approximately 75 second-hand parlor cars, sleeping cars, club
cars, lounge cars, and observation cars that were made surplus by the
decline in rail travel. They ran on the Cannonball and other LIRR
summer-only name trains such as the Sundowner and Weekender. Today, The
Cannonball’s Hamptons Reserve cars are the last vestige of the LIRR’s once
vast
first class service.
The LIRR serves other beach destinations besides
the Hamptons. It runs a weekends-only express between Penn Station and
Long Beach, where the station is just six blocks from the Ocean Beach
Park. It also has extra trains to Freeport where passengers can board
buses to Jones Beach State Park. In addition, it offers packages to Fire
Island via its stations in Bay Shore, Sayville, and Patchogue. |
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The
LIRR's Name Train. The 12 cars of the "Cannonball", now numbered Train 16,
are the consist of the longest coach train on the MTA LIRR. And at $30.50
(if purchased on the Train Time app) It is also the most expensive! In
2013, the service would operate out of New York Penn Station for the first
time since the inauguration of the "Cannon Ball Express" in 1899. DM30ACs
517 and 520 carried the drumhead with the unique logo on Friday, August
11, 2023, bracketing the C3 coaches and enabling the train to efficiently
change ends and return from Montauk. The train is seen passing through
Southampton, New York, about 25 miles from its final destination.
River Rail Photo Marc Glucksman 8/11/2023 |
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