TICKETS, DATER DIES, AND TICKET VENDING MACHINES
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Long Island Rail Road Trip Ticket from Brooklyn to Hempstead Branch 8/21/1852 
(Later renamed Mineola as of timetable 8/21/1852)

 

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LIRR Annual Ticket 1863 

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1890's LIRR Brooklyn (Flatbush Ave.) to Sheepshead Bay sample ticket No. 1. Samples were printed as they would appear in use and a hole or a star was punched into them so they couldn't be used for passage.  All tickets have the General Passenger Agent's facsimile signature as they were never personally signed.  That was only done in some very early tickets and on special trip passes; again only very early ones.  Info: Dave Keller

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Forty-six trip monthly school commutation ticket: Newtown 
and LI City May 1894 Archive: Brad Phillips

 

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Long Island Railroad Company's Ferries - Vehicle ticket over James Slip Ferry, also good for 34th St. Ferry  NYSR Co. 1899


Hempstead to LI City 8/27/1893

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Long Island Rail Road Trip Ticket from Penn Station or Brooklyn (Flatbush Ave) to Camp Upton Excursion 10/21/1917 Collection: Brad Phillips
ADL-205 MANUAL OF INSTRUCTIONS TO PASSENGER CONDUCTORS AND COLLECTORS

August 1, 1954 – Cover below along with a supplemental sheet. This publication has everything need to know to handle transportation aboard a train. The ADL-205 (little brother to the PRR AD-205) is about 50 pages of instructions. Great reading (paragraph 1.3 of the attached – "Notify the Police" Archive/Info: Brad Phillips

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STATION NUMBERS
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ADL-205 Operating/Accounting Dept's 
Station Name designations by Branch
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ADL-205 Operating/Accounting Dept's 
alphabetical Station Name designations

 

LIRR PHOTO TICKETS
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Restricted Monthly photo ticket - Form UB 
between Brooklyn and Sayville 1/1950
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Weekly Photo ticket - Form WB
 between Brooklyn and Edgemere  9/1951

WB = Weekly - Brooklyn
UB = Unrestricted Monthly - Brooklyn 

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Restricted Monthly photo ticket - Form RP-1 between 
NY Penn and Great Neck 2/1954 Archive: Dave Morrison
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The standard monthly photo commute ticket of that era was a plastic card with your photo attached (see above right - Form UB = Unrestricted Monthly Brooklyn). You would purchase the sticker each month, the agent would peel off the old one and stick on the new noting the card ID number on the sticker to prevent fraud. In this case #9810. The same card used for weeklies and monthlies. This particular paper ticket backer was issued for temporary use while the permanent plastic card was being made for you. Note: (9114) is the Jamaica station number as indicated in the Station Numbers section previously. All unique-to-a-station tickets had the station number printed. My home, Amityville, was 9389. Even some open form tickets were printed with the station number that ordered them. Info: Brad Phillips

The Edgemere ticket (above middle) is interesting as, to get to Edgemere in 1951, the guy had to ride a Rockaway Park train via Valley Stream, then past the old Far Rockaway (Mott Ave.) station, as the trestle over Jamaica Bay was no longer in LIRR use. Dave Keller

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LIRR Punch Type Tickets are back - LIRR Publicity Dept, 
NY Times 5/07/1954 Archive: Dave Morrison

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Punch Type Tickets Back - Newsday 5/06/1954 
Archive: Dave Morrison

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 A Gender Ender for LIRR Tickets Newsday 12/31/2017 
Archive: Dave Morrison

LIRR DATER STAMPERS
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Aurora Dater Stamper c. 1960
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Aurora Dater Stamper- Die Wheel  c.1960
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The lettering "Long Island Stamp" on the side was the company that they were purchased from, not the manufacture. It does not indicate that the dater was used on the LIRR or in the Jamaica ticket.

 In my years of hanging around and eventually working at Jamaica ticket, I don’t recall ever seeing this style of dater being used. It’s POSSIBLE that such a machine was used in Jamaica prior to 1960 of course. I have several LIRR dies that fit this style of machine but they’re very old and are from line stations.' Brad Phillips

This was an old Aurora model used up until the late 70's/80's. Then we used a dater made by Ajax that was a piece of crap and went to one made by Cosmo. The problem with the Auroras was the year wheel couldn't go high enough and they had to be replaced. Kevin Fehn

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Aurora Dater Stamper - Photo: Brad Phillips


Dater Die stamp - Far Rockaway - Nameoke Ave 
Archive: Dave Keller

The dates on the Cosmo and Aurora daters were 
arranged horizontally. Brad Phillips

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Aurora Dater Stamper front - Photo: Brad Phillips

Dater Die plates - Aurora Dater - Woodmere Ticket Office 
Archive: Kevin Fehn

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Aurora Dater Die Impressions - Archive: Brad Phillips

 

The dater (validator) that is shown, above left, is an old Aurora model that was used from the early 1900's up until the late 70s or early 80s. The later Cosmo daters replaced the Ajax daters. The Ajax daters were purchased to replace the Auroras when the year wheel couldn't hit the new dates. The Ajax daters had a slide insert for your IBM number. They were crap and didn't hold up. The worse part was an auditor won the suggestion award for the Ajax. They were a pain to work with. Kevin Fehn

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Hills Centennial Dater front - Archive: Brad Phillips

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Hills Centennial Dater knob - Archive: Brad Phillips

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Hills Centennial Dater  - Archive: Brad Phillips

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Hills Centennial Dater Die Impressions 
Archive: Brad Phillips

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Islip Ticket Reverse 7/12/62 Archive: Brad Phillips


This is the dater used for the round dies, dates arranged vertically. Archive: Brad PhillipsTicket-Weekly_NY-Penn-Woodmere_dater-die-11-6-1933.jpg (191775 bytes)
Weekly Ticket - NY Penn-Woodmere dater die: 11/06/1933


Ah, the memories … All these daters were very sturdy machines.  I never saw one break down and many I used were very old.  These things took a real beating over time.  Just think, for example, the number of tickets issued at NY Penn.  I have tickets issued with the same die decades apart.  Of course, they eventually wore down.  The great 1960’s die replacement was a result of years with no new dies.

Many clerks, most probably, would wait forever to change the inked ribbon and, thus, the die impressions were often very light to non-readable.  They did not pay too much attention to where the impression was put on the ticket so many, many tickets had missing station names, dates, etc.

Over time the die would cake up with ink and the impression became unreadable.  Cleaning was a mess: toothbrush or wire brush with soap and water (or toothpaste which was very effective) was used to clean them.  Your fingers were then blue for the next day or two!

The dies were locked up with the cash in the safe.  If big enough, the entire machine and die were stored there.  If not, the die was removed and the dater left on the counter.

The “dater die” on the above right, without a numeral, is the old die which was replaced with the die having the number 1.  When the railroad started getting rid of all the old Hills Centennial daters (which required periodic replacement of the year wheel) and dies in the early 1960’s they retired many old Aurora dies that had significant wear from use.  Thus, many stations saw old Aurora square dies replaced with new ones having the die numbers.  So even if a station, like Woodmere, had only one die they still put the number 1 in the lower corners.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a ticket issued at Woodmere even though I worked a (single) Monday morning rush hour there.  As there was only one dater, the clerk had pre-stamped a large pile of weekly tickets which I sold at the second ticket window while he handled any one ways along with weeklies.  I never went back to get a validated ticket for my collection.  Oh well. 

One thing I can add about the daters is that the regular clerks would never change the ribbon. They would leave a note or the extra would see that you could barely read the impression and they would have to change the ribbon. That was a pain since you would get ink all over your hands and eventually your shirt (pastel colored of course).

After working a few stations, I said enough is enough, I would rewind the ribbon and then ink it using the bottle of ink and brush we used for the ink pads. When the regular clerk came back, he would have to change it out. Info: Brad Phillips

 

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Cosmo Dater Stamper c.1990 Archive: Kevin Fehn

The order of usage:
Hills Centennial
Cosmo
Aurora
Ajax
Rapidprint


Cosmo Dater Stamper Front c.1990 Archive: Kevin Fehn

Cosmo Dater Stamper Date Wheel c.1990 Archive: Kevin Fehn

Rapidprint Electric Stamper c.1995+

The photo of the electric dater shows the right side that is opened with the key visible to change the date or adjust the ribbon by hand. On the front of the machine above it reads RAPIDPRINT. The brass insert plate that it has reads 29 PENN STATION 29 with the MTA logo. The plate has a
serial number that is embossed on the back near the ring which reads 00873. 

The insert plates are slid in under the two screws visible on the upper side and the notch on the plate helps holds it in place. On the front lower "lip" partially visible is the suppliers name and phone number. On the back is a plate affixed with the manufacturer's name and model information.
Info: Mike McEnaney

The two brass strips are the official validators. Each morning before using this machine one would be inserted into the slot under the two screws. The strip had the station name and the MTA logo on it and if a ticket was stamped with the proper date, but not this information it was not valid for transportation. Info: Martin Quinn

 

From what I remember the Ajax stampers, they did not last long - 1980 to 1982 was the period. I do recall that some stamps included the seller's IBM number in that short time span and I believe that some did not want their employee number openly used in that manner.

The LIRR went with the Rapidprint Electric Stamper (above right) beginning in 1995 resulting from a suit by an employee that got carpal tunnel in their forearms from repeated motion of stamping tickets. The Cosmo stamps had the MTA logo and did not have LIRR as all previous stamps had. RMLI has one of these stampers along with a few of the die stamp plates used. Info:  Mike McEnaney

 

TICKET VENDING MACHINES (TVMS)

TVMs Timeline for the LIRR:

• 1973 - TVM was made by Cubic. That is the machine in the picture of Jamaica in 1973 (below left). It was next to the Passenger Services Office door in the waiting room and there for about a year and then moved to Penn. It didn’t last long.
• 1983 to 1986 – Four (4) TVMs were leased from Autelca, a Swiss company. They were installed in Penn and one was later moved to the westbound platform at Flushing Main St. which was extensively vandalized. These were TVMs were replaced by the first generation Scheidt & Bachmann’s (S&B) in 1987.
• 1986 – Six or seven Agent Systems TVMs were purchased. They sold commutation tickets for credit card only. They actually lasted until the newest generation of Scheidt & Bachmann TVMs were in 2001.
• 1987 & 1991 – The Scheidt & Bachmann TVMs were purchased. They lasted until the new generation were installed in 2001.
• 2001 – New Scheidt & Bachmann TVMs purchased along with the Ticket Office Machines. There are 4 types of these TVMs with 3 types that were added after the initial purchase. Full Service (gray), One Ways (red), Full Service credit/debit only (blue) and Full Service – AirTrain (green).  Note: The On Board fare was $5.75 to $6.50

From MTA site: On Board Fare Trains
Purchasing your ticket On-Board the train is the most expensive option. Only One-Way tickets may be purchased On-Board trains and they cost $5.75 to $6.50 more than tickets bought before boarding at Ticket Offices/Machines. No bills over $50. Off-Peak tickets will be "stepped up" to the Peak fare when presented on Peak trains. Step-up fares and Extension-of-ride fares (extra fare charged for traveling beyond the stations listed on the ticket) will be rounded up to the next dollar. Round-Trip tickets are no longer sold on-board. Please purchase your return trip tickets at ticket windows/machines before boarding.

• TVMs are serviced by Agents/Clerk teams from several headquarters locations. Crews performed revenue, fingertip maintenance as remedial maintenance is performed under contract with the manufacturer.
• The TVMs have had several upgrades over the years under a “Life Cycle Maintenance” option. This has upgraded the computers, printers and some other components.

When I started in 1972, there were close to 132 stations. I believe, with about 100 open Ticket Offices. I did count the stations that I worked at as a Clerk and Agent a few years back and came up with 96 stations that I sold at. I think there are 23 open ticket offices now with various hours.

On-Board Fares: It is not charged at Pinelawn and from Yaphank east to Greenport.   All the other stations have TVMs or ticket offices. The Montauk Branch received TVMs several years ago all the way to Montauk.  Info: Kevin Fehn

 


ETVM was the Daily machine that only sold one way tickets.  
Some called it an Express TVM.

The Daily machine number series stated at 70, i.e. 39070. 
The card only started at 80. IE. 39080 

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A full service TVM (2001 S&B) that we had in an 
office in Penn Station for testing.
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Penn Station TVM - 2/15/2002
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Nostrand Ave  TVM Cage  1/10/2002
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A TOM is the Ticket Office Machine which replaced the old ticket cases and daters. It is basically a TVM built for use by the Agent or Clerk in the ticket office. It replaced around 150 years of manual sales. No more tour books.

I believe Copiague after it was closed for sales, c.2001.  We used the Ticket Office for some testing of the TOM and counter fits. Photo/Archive/Info: Kevin FehnTVM-Bethpage-Station_10-03-2017-unknown.jpg (123912 bytes)
Bethpage Station TVM 10/03/2017 LIRR photo

 

All material compliments of Kevin Fehn unless noted.

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TVM Cards Only - No Cash Introduced around late 2007/ early 2008. The photo is one of the first units built.
TVM TICKETS
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S&B TVM Commutation Tickets
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One Way TVM ticket from NY Zone 1. These were 
used in the old S&B TVMs (1986 to 1996) in Penn Station.

 

 

 

 

 

 

All material compliments of Kevin Fehn unless noted.

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Agent Systems TVM Ticket  The black square on the 
right side was used as a registration mark for cutting.