LIRR Coal Freight Info  

The Long Island's freight operations amounted to little more than branch lines which terminated more cars than they originated (68.0% of the loaded car miles were eastbound from the mainland vs. 32.0% westbound).

Commodities terminated included coal, lumber, cement and iron & steel, the LIRR's four largest in 1947. The number of originated carloads could easily be accommodated in lumber boxcars after unloading and cleaning. Having to haul empty boxcars to Eastern Long Island caused the percent loaded of total car miles to hover around 50%.

Request: Searching for a schematic diagram showing the operation of the coal silos that once were all over Long Island.  From my understanding, the coal was dumped from the bottom of the coal hoppers into bins below the track.  From there an bucket escalator device would bring the coal up to the top of the silo structure where it was dumped into the silos. Anyone with a schematic diagram showing this operation, please contact: Coal Research
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F-M Conveyor Type Locomotive Coaling Stations Data Sheet 
Reprint 1930's F-M Catalog  Info: John McCluskey  

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F-M Elevator Head and Hopper Photo Details
Reprint 1930's F-M Catalog  Info: John McCluskey

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LI City Coal Tower 07/17/1919
Collection: Dave Morrison
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Long Island Coal Co. 1953
Oyster Bay
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Islip Coal & Feed c. 1968 view SE
Photo: Steve Lynch
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Syosset Coal

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Photo : early 1944 
Archive: Dave Morrison

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T. C. Warren & Co., 
c. mid-1950's Quogue
Photo: LIRR Archive: jim Gillin 

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E. M. Pettit Fuel silos at right 1957
Seaford Collection: Dick Pettit



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Milton Pettit Fuel, Sunrise Hwy and Hewlett Ave, late 1940's Merrick 
Collection: Dick Pettit

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Eagle Coal Glendale
Archive: McEnery

 

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Plaza Fuel Co. New Hyde Park Rd view NE 
Archive: Daniel Marra, Sr.

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New Hyde Park Coal & Ice 
view east 1951 Archive: Art Huneke

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Mid-Island Fuels - New Hyde Park
Archive: Art Huneke

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Hicksville Coal 05/06/1932

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View SE  Hicksville Coal 05/06/1932
View SW

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Hicksville Coal Map 1940 Emery

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Hicksville Coal 05/06/1932
View west from Jerusalem Ave

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Wood & Nostrand Inc.
Just east of railroad station on the south side of the tracks
Farmingdale,  c.1920
R. Emery map: Siding installed in 1924. Archive: Dave Keller
 
nostrandcoal.jpg (62651 bytes) Now a parking lot, this coal receiving station was located just north of the railroad station. The coal was used to fuel the state university power plant. Farmingdale

Archive: Farmingdale Bethpage Historical Society, LI Digital Book Project, Farmingdale Public Library


Nassau Mutual Fuel Corp. 
West Hempstead, NY – c. 1955
W. J. Edwards photo, Dave Keller archive

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LIRR Coal Loads Received 1945

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LIRR Coal Loads Received by Road 1945 

 

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Morris Park Shops 3/31/1940 Conveyor to wooden coaling tower in background
Archive: Dave Keller

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Weeks Fuel Bldgs and coaling ramp
 West Ave 05/1943
Fred Weber photo, Dave Morrison collection, Dave Keller archive

 

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Loco Coaling Facilities and coaling ramp for Week’s Fuel  05/1943
Fred Weber photo, Dave Morrison collection, Dave Keller archive

 

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Week's Coal Patchogue View NE 
c. 1904
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Week's Coal Patchogue View SW
c. 1904
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Week's Coal Ramp 1954 Patchogue
Archive: Dave Keller

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Underwood Coal & Coke 10/1943
Fred Weber photo, Dave Morrison collection, Dave Keller archive

LIRR Coal Operations Remains 

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St. Albans Coal Trestle 2007

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Huntington: W. Wilton Wood  Lumber & Coal   Photo: Steve Rothaug 10/2007


1958 R. Emery map Sayville MP49-50 Archive: Dave Keller
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Sayville: C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard Trestle Piers 2007 
Info: 1958 R. Emery map, Archive: Dave Keller
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Ex-C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard Sayville
view N 02/1708 Photo: Mike McDermet
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Ex-C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard Sayville
view S 02/1708 Photo: Mike McDermet
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1958 R. Emery map Sea Cliff  MP29-27 Archive: Dave Keller
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Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber Shed located  west of the crossing and south of OBY Track 2, 04/08/2008 
Photo: Joseph Vila
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Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber East of the crossing just before the H-L platform 04/08/2008 Photo: Joseph Vila
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Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber View West towards Sea Cliff Ave Station south of OBY Track 2.
04/08/08 Photo: Joseph Vila

Moving Coal by Prayer by Mark Smith (Retired LIRR Locomotive Engineer) 

"...The L.I.R.R. was not a big coal hauler as to operating unit coal trains as many large roads did.  We did haul a lot of coal in lots to three state hospitals by local freight jobs that worked the lines the hospitals were located on.  We did not have heavy, long grades but many places did have short, steep grades requiring careful handling to get over the road. These coal docks were all up on trestle where cars could be unloaded by opening the hoppers.  One dock at Kings Park was at the bottom of a steep grade and was a scary move for all concerned every time it was switched...."

East NY Industrial Park serviced by the Bay Ridge Line 

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Covering the area south of the East New York station, and proceeding to where the Bay Ridge branch hooks a sharp turn to the west at New Lots, going as far south (west) as the east side of Rockaway Ave. we have the following coal customers from 1958 and earlier, back into the 1920s:  Info: Dave Keller 

(In no special order) 

Rubel Coal Co.(having moved from 2 prior locations in the same area) 
Thatford & Ackerman Coal 
Security Coal Co. 
Holland Steel Co. 
Burns Bros. Coal

Switching the Coal at Island Park by JJ Earl
"...the coal train used the trailing point cross over east of Long Beach Road to shove across into "The Light"

Loads would be placed in the empty tracks and empty cars gathered up and pulled out onto #2 main.

The engines uncoupled and were reversed at LEAD to come back west on #1, over the cross over and pull back west onto #1 stopping for a member of the crew to throw these hand thrown switches back to their rightful position.

All main line crossovers had/have what is called a locking bar halfway between the switches with a lever that, when thrown over, moves a rod that connects to a locking device in each switch that will not allow it to be thrown unless this security device itself is thrown.


Emery Map 9/58 MP 20-22 Click on image to enlarge

LIRR 1950 Freight Car Loads  Prototype Info for Modeling

  Originated on Road   
Commodity Car Type Carloads Tonnage

%

Cars/100
Potatoes boxcar 1,584 34,086 23.64% 82
Lumber, shingles & lath boxcar 218 6,354 3.25%
Flour, wheat boxcar 24 709 0.36%
Canned food products boxcar 3,818 52,212 56.98%
Hard Coal hopper 4 321 0.06% 0
Soft Coal hopper 1 75 0.01%
Cement, Nat or Portland covered hop 7 267 0.10% 1
Mfd. Iron and steel gondola 675 19,062 10.07% 10
Fresh meats reefer 1 11 0.01% 1
Fuel, road & pet. resid oils tank 369 12,326 5.51% 6
Mill products flatcar     0.00% 0
Totals 6,701 125,423 100% 100
 
  Received from Connections  
Commodity Car Type Carloads Tonnage % Cars/100
Potatoes boxcar 3,642 76,274 4.2% 38
Lumber, shingles & lath boxcar 22,135 620,629 25.3%
Flour, wheat boxcar 3,906 136,489 4.5%
Canned food products boxcar 4,568 114,708 5.2%
Hard Coal hopper 18,608 1,080,223 21.3% 29
Soft Coal hopper 6,376 369,447 7.3%
Cement, Nat or Portland covered hop 13,408 586,127 15.3% 15
Mfd. Iron and steel gondola 6022 207,156 6.9% 7
Fresh meats reefer 8,006 96,087 9.2% 9
Fuel, road & pet. resid oils tank 42 1,216 0.0% 1
Mill products flatcar 739 22,567 0.8% 1
  Totals 87,452   100% 100
 
*The tonnage/carload data from 1951 Moody's Investor Guidebook
      % information, car type, and cars/100 added by Steven Lynch
 
LIRR 1950 Freight Car Loads Modeling Info**
 
  Car Type Shipped  Received
Potatoes boxcar 12 7
Lumber, shingles & lath "
Flour, wheat "
Canned food products "
Hard Coal hopper   5
Soft Coal "
Cement, Nat or Portland covered hop 1 3
Mfd. Iron and steel gondola 3 2
Fresh meats reefer 2 2
Fuel, road & pet. resid oils tank 2 1
Mill products flatcar 1 1
  Totals 21 21

** Based on ave. 1947 LIRR train length 21.3 cars 

LIRR Coal Freight Car Locations Maps

Year Company Name Town  Commodities 
1966 W. Heinly (coal) Amityville Coal

1902

Weeks Coal Yard Bay Shore
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Coal

c.1925

J. L. Abrew Coal & Feed  Bay Shore
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Coal, Feed
<c.1925 N.C. Smith Coal, Wood, & Feed Bay Shore Coal, Feed, Wood
58 Frank Bros Coal Co. Bay Shore
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Coal
66 Suffolk Fuel Bay Shore Coal

66

Grumman Plant N side #3 coal run Bethpage Coal
66 Pilgrim State Hospital Trestle Brentwood  Coal

58

S&S Corrugated Paper Mfg. Co, Bushwick Junction
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Coal
66 Central Islip State Hospital coal Central Islip Coal
66 Edgewood State Hospital Deer Park Coal
66 Shinnecock Coal E Hampton Coal
<1966 P. H. Dietz Coal Co Evergreen (Fremont, Fresh Pond)
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Coal
c.1968 Burns Bros Coal ?????
Coal
66 East Coast Trestle Farmingdale Coal
? Vulcan Fuel Floral Park Coal
66 Eagle Coal Fresh Pond, Glendale/Woodhaven
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Coal
1958 Mitchel Field (USAF) Garden City
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Coal
66 Nigro Coal Co. Glen Cove Coal
66 Burts Coal Company Greenport Coal
1932 Hicksville Coal Co.  Hicksville
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Coal
66 Nassau Suffolk Fuel Huntington
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Coal, petrol prod
66 W. Wilton Wood  Lumber & Coal
Wilton Wood Huntington.jpg (62434 bytes)
Photo: Steve Rothaug 10/07
Huntington
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Coal, lumber
58 LILCO Island Park Coal

66

Islip Coal & Feed islipcandf.jpg (71694 bytes) Islip
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Coal

66

Sunrise Coal Jamaica Freight Facilities
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Coal
66 State Hospital (coal trestle) Kings Park Coal
1958 Sunrise Blue Coal Lynbrook
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Coal
66 Massapequa Fuel Co. Massapequa Coal, petrol prod
66 Island Coal & Lumber Co. Medford Coal, lumber
late '40's Milton Pettit Fuel Co. Merrick
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Coal
66 Mineola Coal Mineola  Coal
66 Windsor Fuel Mineola  Coal, petrol prod
55 Plaza Fuel Co. map spot #10 6/1955 
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New Hyde Park  MP16-17
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 Emery map 1958
Coal, petrol prod
39 Royal Petroleum Co. Map spot #14?
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View east of New Hyde Park Rd. 7/1939
58 Mid-Island Fuels - map spot #2
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Archive: Art Huneke
 

 

Coal, petrol prod
53 New Hyde Park Coal & IceCovertAve07-1940viewW_NHPCoal&Ice.jpg (43864 bytes)
7/1940 Covert Ave. view west -water tower under construction 
Archive: Art Huneke
New Hyde Park MP15-16
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 Emery map 1943
Coal, Ice prod
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view east 1951 Archive: Art Huneke
 

 

 

58

Creedmoor State Hospital  North Queens Villagecreedmoor7-58cont.jpg (206221 bytes) Coal

66

Long Island Coal Co. licoal.jpg (11454 bytes) Oyster Bay
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Coal

<1920

Patchogue Electric Co. (PELCO)P54D-93-PELCO-Plant-Patchogue-1954.jpg (39499 bytes) Patchogue
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Coal
<1920 Swezey  Patchogue Coal, Feed
<1920 Patchogue Lace Mill Patchogue Coal, textile materials
<1920 Weeks  Patchogue Coal, Wood
66 Anchor Coal prior Deitz Coal Co. Queens Village Coal
c.1955 T. C. Warren & Co.
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Quogue Coal
1958 C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard Sayville Coal
1958 Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber Sea Cliff
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Coal, lumber
1957 E. M. Pettit Fuel  Seaford
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Coal
66 Southampton Coal Southampton Coal
c.1956 Syosset Coal Syosset
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Coal
1957 E. M. Pettit Fuel Syosset
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E. M. Pettit Fuel silos at right 1957
Coal
66 Hicks Westbury Inc. Westbury Coal
c.1955 Nassau Mutual Fuel Corp. West Hempstead
Coal, petrol prod
66 Hewlett Fuel & Supply Woodmere Coal, petrol prod