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LIRR Coal Freight Info
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The Long Island's freight operations amounted to little
more than branch lines which terminated more cars than they originated
(68.0% of the loaded car miles were eastbound from the mainland vs. 32.0%
westbound).
Commodities terminated included coal, lumber, cement and iron & steel, the
LIRR's four largest in 1947. The number of originated carloads could easily
be accommodated in lumber boxcars after unloading and cleaning. Having to
haul empty boxcars to Eastern Long Island caused the percent loaded of total
car miles to hover around 50%. |
Request: Searching for a
schematic diagram showing the operation of the coal silos that once were all
over Long Island. From my understanding, the coal was dumped from the
bottom of the coal hoppers into bins below the track. From there an
bucket escalator device would bring the coal up to the top of the silo
structure where it was dumped into the silos. Anyone with a schematic
diagram showing this operation, please contact: Coal
Research
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F-M Conveyor Type Locomotive Coaling Stations Data Sheet
Reprint 1930's F-M Catalog Info: John McCluskey |

F-M Elevator Head and Hopper Photo Details
Reprint 1930's F-M Catalog Info: John McCluskey
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LI City Coal Tower 07/17/1919
Collection: Dave Morrison |

Long Island Coal Co. 1953
Oyster Bay |

Islip Coal & Feed c. 1968 view SE
Photo: Steve Lynch |

Syosset Coal

Photo : early 1944
Archive: Dave Morrison

T. C. Warren & Co.,
c. mid-1950's Quogue
Photo: LIRR Archive: jim Gillin
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E. M. Pettit Fuel silos at right 1957
Seaford Collection: Dick Pettit

Milton Pettit Fuel, Sunrise Hwy and Hewlett Ave,
late 1940's Merrick
Collection: Dick Pettit

Eagle Coal Glendale
Archive: McEnery
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Plaza Fuel Co. New Hyde Park Rd view NE
Archive: Daniel Marra, Sr.

New Hyde Park Coal & Ice
view east 1951 Archive: Art Huneke

Mid-Island Fuels - New Hyde Park
Archive: Art Huneke
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Hicksville Coal 05/06/1932

View SE Hicksville Coal 05/06/1932
View SW
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Hicksville Coal Map 1940 Emery

Hicksville Coal 05/06/1932
View west from Jerusalem Ave
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Wood & Nostrand Inc.
Just east of railroad station on the south side of the tracks
Farmingdale, c.1920
R. Emery map: Siding installed in
1924. Archive: Dave Keller
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Now a parking lot, this coal receiving
station was located just north of the railroad station. The coal was used to
fuel the state university power plant. Farmingdale
Archive: Farmingdale Bethpage Historical Society, LI Digital Book Project,
Farmingdale Public Library
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Nassau Mutual Fuel Corp.
West Hempstead, NY – c. 1955
W. J. Edwards photo, Dave Keller archive
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LIRR Coal Loads Received 1945

LIRR Coal Loads Received by Road 1945
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Morris Park Shops 3/31/1940 Conveyor to wooden coaling tower in
background
Archive: Dave Keller

Weeks Fuel Bldgs and coaling ramp
West Ave 05/1943
Fred Weber photo, Dave Morrison collection,
Dave Keller archive

Loco Coaling Facilities and coaling ramp for Week’s Fuel 05/1943
Fred Weber photo, Dave Morrison collection,
Dave Keller archive
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Week's Coal Patchogue View NE
c. 1904

Week's Coal Patchogue View
SW
c. 1904

Week's Coal Ramp 1954 Patchogue
Archive: Dave Keller

Underwood Coal & Coke 10/1943
Fred Weber photo, Dave Morrison collection,
Dave Keller archive
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LIRR Coal
Operations Remains
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St. Albans Coal Trestle 2007
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Huntington: W. Wilton Wood Lumber & Coal
Photo: Steve Rothaug 10/2007
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1958 R. Emery map Sayville MP49-50 Archive: Dave Keller
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Sayville: C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard Trestle Piers
2007
Info: 1958 R. Emery map, Archive: Dave Keller |

Ex-C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard Sayville
view N 02/1708 Photo: Mike McDermet |

Ex-C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard Sayville
view S 02/1708 Photo: Mike McDermet |

1958 R. Emery map Sea Cliff
MP29-27 Archive: Dave Keller |

Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber Shed located
west of the crossing and south of OBY Track 2, 04/08/2008
Photo: Joseph Vila |

Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber East of the crossing just before the H-L
platform 04/08/2008 Photo: Joseph Vila |

Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber View West towards Sea Cliff Ave Station south
of OBY Track 2.
04/08/08 Photo: Joseph Vila |
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Moving
Coal by Prayer by Mark
Smith (Retired LIRR Locomotive Engineer)
"...The L.I.R.R. was not a big coal hauler as to
operating unit coal trains as many large roads did. We did haul a lot
of coal in lots to three
state hospitals by local freight jobs that worked the lines the
hospitals were located on. We did not have heavy, long grades but many
places did have short, steep grades requiring careful handling to get over
the road. These coal docks were all up on trestle where cars could be
unloaded by opening the hoppers. One dock at Kings
Park was at the bottom of a steep grade and was a scary move for all
concerned every time it was switched...." |
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East NY Industrial Park serviced by the Bay Ridge
Line

Covering the area south of the East New York station, and proceeding to where the Bay Ridge branch hooks a sharp turn to the west at New Lots, going as far south (west) as the east side of Rockaway Ave. we have the following
coal customers from 1958 and earlier, back into the 1920s: Info: Dave
Keller
(In no special order)
Rubel Coal Co.(having moved from 2 prior locations in the same area)
Thatford & Ackerman Coal
Security Coal Co.
Holland Steel Co.
Burns Bros. Coal
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Switching the
Coal at Island Park by
JJ Earl
"...the coal train used the trailing point cross over east of Long
Beach Road to shove across into "The Light"
Loads would be placed in the empty tracks and empty cars gathered up and
pulled out onto #2 main.
The engines uncoupled and were reversed at LEAD to come back west on #1,
over the cross over and pull back west onto #1 stopping for a member of the
crew to throw these hand thrown switches back to their rightful position.
All main line crossovers had/have what is called a locking bar halfway
between the switches with a lever that, when thrown over, moves a rod that
connects to a locking device in each switch that will not allow it to be
thrown unless this security device itself is thrown."

Emery Map 9/58 MP 20-22 Click
on image to enlarge
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LIRR 1950
Freight Car Loads Prototype Info for Modeling
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Originated
on Road |
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| Commodity |
Car
Type |
Carloads |
Tonnage |
%
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Cars/100 |
| Potatoes |
boxcar |
1,584 |
34,086 |
23.64% |
82 |
| Lumber,
shingles & lath |
boxcar |
218 |
6,354 |
3.25% |
| Flour,
wheat |
boxcar |
24 |
709 |
0.36% |
| Canned
food products |
boxcar |
3,818 |
52,212 |
56.98% |
| Hard
Coal |
hopper |
4 |
321 |
0.06% |
0 |
| Soft
Coal |
hopper |
1 |
75 |
0.01% |
| Cement,
Nat or Portland |
covered
hop |
7 |
267 |
0.10% |
1 |
| Mfd.
Iron and steel |
gondola |
675 |
19,062 |
10.07% |
10 |
| Fresh
meats |
reefer |
1 |
11 |
0.01% |
1 |
| Fuel,
road & pet. resid oils |
tank |
369 |
12,326 |
5.51% |
6 |
| Mill
products |
flatcar |
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0.00% |
0 |
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Totals |
6,701 |
125,423 |
100% |
100 |
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Received
from Connections |
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| Commodity |
Car
Type |
Carloads |
Tonnage |
% |
Cars/100 |
| Potatoes |
boxcar |
3,642 |
76,274 |
4.2% |
38 |
| Lumber,
shingles & lath |
boxcar |
22,135 |
620,629 |
25.3% |
| Flour,
wheat |
boxcar |
3,906 |
136,489 |
4.5% |
| Canned
food products |
boxcar |
4,568 |
114,708 |
5.2% |
| Hard
Coal |
hopper |
18,608 |
1,080,223 |
21.3% |
29 |
| Soft
Coal |
hopper |
6,376 |
369,447 |
7.3% |
| Cement,
Nat or Portland |
covered
hop |
13,408 |
586,127 |
15.3% |
15 |
| Mfd.
Iron and steel |
gondola |
6022 |
207,156 |
6.9% |
7 |
| Fresh
meats |
reefer |
8,006 |
96,087 |
9.2% |
9 |
| Fuel,
road & pet. resid oils |
tank |
42 |
1,216 |
0.0% |
1 |
| Mill
products |
flatcar |
739 |
22,567 |
0.8% |
1 |
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Totals |
87,452 |
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100% |
100 |
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| *The tonnage/carload data from 1951
Moody's Investor Guidebook |
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information, car type, and cars/100 added by Steven Lynch |
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LIRR
1950 Freight Car Loads Modeling Info**
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Car
Type |
Shipped |
Received |
| Potatoes |
boxcar |
12 |
7 |
| Lumber,
shingles & lath |
" |
| Flour,
wheat |
" |
| Canned
food products |
" |
| Hard
Coal |
hopper |
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5 |
| Soft
Coal |
" |
| Cement,
Nat or Portland |
covered
hop |
1 |
3 |
| Mfd.
Iron and steel |
gondola |
3 |
2 |
| Fresh
meats |
reefer |
2 |
2 |
| Fuel,
road & pet. resid oils |
tank |
2 |
1 |
| Mill
products |
flatcar |
1 |
1 |
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Totals |
21 |
21 |
** Based on ave. 1947 LIRR train
length 21.3 cars
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LIRR Coal
Freight Car Locations Maps
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| Year |
Company Name |
Town |
Commodities |
| 1966 |
W. Heinly (coal) |
Amityville |
Coal |
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1902 |
Weeks Coal Yard |
Bay Shore
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Coal |
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c.1925 |
J. L. Abrew Coal &
Feed |
Bay Shore
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Coal, Feed |
| <c.1925 |
N.C. Smith Coal, Wood, &
Feed |
Bay Shore |
Coal, Feed, Wood |
| 58 |
Frank Bros Coal Co. |
Bay Shore
 |
Coal |
| 66 |
Suffolk Fuel |
Bay Shore |
Coal |
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66
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Grumman Plant N side #3 coal run |
Bethpage |
Coal |
| 66 |
Pilgrim State Hospital Trestle |
Brentwood |
Coal |
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58 |
S&S Corrugated Paper Mfg.
Co, |
Bushwick
Junction
 |
Coal |
| 66 |
Central Islip State Hospital coal |
Central Islip |
Coal |
| 66 |
Edgewood State Hospital |
Deer Park |
Coal |
| 66 |
Shinnecock Coal |
E Hampton |
Coal |
| <1966 |
P. H. Dietz Coal Co |
Evergreen (Fremont, Fresh Pond)
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Coal |
| c.1968 |
Burns Bros Coal |
?????
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Coal |
| 66 |
East Coast Trestle |
Farmingdale |
Coal |
| ? |
Vulcan Fuel |
Floral Park |
Coal |
| 66 |
Eagle Coal |
Fresh Pond, Glendale/Woodhaven
 |
Coal |
| 1958 |
Mitchel Field (USAF) |
Garden City
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Coal |
| 66 |
Nigro Coal Co. |
Glen Cove |
Coal |
| 66 |
Burts Coal Company |
Greenport |
Coal |
| 1932 |
Hicksville Coal Co. |
Hicksville
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Coal |
| 66 |
Nassau Suffolk Fuel |
Huntington
 |
Coal, petrol prod |
| 66 |
W. Wilton Wood Lumber & Coal

Photo: Steve Rothaug 10/07 |
Huntington
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Coal, lumber |
| 58 |
LILCO |
Island Park |
Coal |
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66
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Islip Coal & Feed
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Islip
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Coal |
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66
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Sunrise Coal |
Jamaica Freight Facilities
![JamaicaFreight19[1].jpg (152613 bytes)](JamaicaFreight191_small.jpg) |
Coal |
| 66 |
State Hospital (coal trestle) |
Kings Park |
Coal |
| 1958 |
Sunrise Blue Coal |
Lynbrook
 |
Coal |
| 66 |
Massapequa Fuel Co. |
Massapequa |
Coal, petrol prod |
| 66 |
Island Coal & Lumber Co. |
Medford |
Coal, lumber |
| late '40's |
Milton Pettit Fuel Co. |
Merrick
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Coal |
| 66 |
Mineola Coal |
Mineola |
Coal |
| 66 |
Windsor Fuel |
Mineola |
Coal, petrol prod |
| 55 |
Plaza Fuel Co. map spot
#10 6/1955

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New Hyde Park
MP16-17

Emery map 1958 |
Coal, petrol prod |
| 39 |
Royal Petroleum Co. Map spot
#14?

View east of New Hyde Park Rd. 7/1939 |
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| 58 |
Mid-Island Fuels - map spot #2
Archive: Art Huneke |
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Coal, petrol prod |
| 53 |
New Hyde Park Coal & Ice
7/1940 Covert Ave. view west -water tower under
construction
Archive: Art Huneke |
New Hyde Park
MP15-16

Emery map 1943 |
Coal, Ice prod |
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view east 1951 Archive: Art
Huneke |
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58
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Creedmoor State Hospital |
North Queens Village |
Coal |
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66
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Long Island Coal Co.
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Oyster Bay
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Coal |
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<1920
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Patchogue Electric Co. (PELCO) |
Patchogue
 |
Coal |
| <1920 |
Swezey |
Patchogue |
Coal, Feed |
| <1920 |
Patchogue Lace Mill |
Patchogue |
Coal, textile materials |
| <1920 |
Weeks |
Patchogue |
Coal, Wood |
| 66 |
Anchor Coal prior Deitz Coal Co. |
Queens Village |
Coal |
| c.1955 |
T. C. Warren & Co.
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Quogue |
Coal |
| 1958 |
C. W. Aldrich Coal Yard |
Sayville |
Coal |
| 1958 |
Sea Cliff Coal & Lumber |
Sea Cliff
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Coal, lumber |
| 1957 |
E. M. Pettit Fuel |
Seaford
|
Coal |
| 66 |
Southampton Coal |
Southampton |
Coal |
| c.1956 |
Syosset Coal |
Syosset
 |
Coal |
| 1957 |
E. M. Pettit Fuel |
Syosset

E. M. Pettit Fuel silos at right 1957 |
Coal |
| 66 |
Hicks Westbury Inc. |
Westbury |
Coal |
| c.1955 |
Nassau Mutual Fuel Corp.
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West Hempstead
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Coal, petrol prod |
| 66 |
Hewlett Fuel & Supply |
Woodmere |
Coal, petrol prod |
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