LIRR Passenger/Baggage/Combine/RPO Car Photo History

Roster: LIRR Early Passenger Cars 
Research: Vincent Seyfried LIRR History Vol VII

Roster: LIRR Steel Coaches & Electric M.U. with conversions
Research: Henry Raudenbush and Jeff Erlitz, courtesy of George Chiasson

Roster: LIRR Passenger-Baggage-Combine-Cars
           
LIRR Passenger-Baggage-Combine-Cars Additional Data
           LIRR Passenger-Baggage-Combine-Cars Supplementary Notes 
Research Koehler, Seyfried, MTA 1972

WOODEN BUILDER DATES DATA All retired by 1927
Victorian Coaches Wason Mfg  Co 1889 #229-258 65' length seats 72 
sold #230,231,236,239 to Georgia Car & Loco Co. 7/1927
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LIRR #236
Combine baggage/passenger Pullman Palace Car Co. 1898 #501-520 sold 1926 to Georgia Car & Loco Co. lirr505_builderphoto_1898.jpg (68451 bytes)
LIRR #505 builder photo 1898
Parlor Car Pullman 1902 #789-796  Eight vestibule  6-wheel trucks 
Length: 78' - 8"; 41 revolving seats; all converted to coaches after 1911-1916
#789 Sold to Georgia Company: 6/1927
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Wooden Pullman Parlor Car #789
1902 Archive: Dave Keller
Closed Vestibule Jackson & Sharp,
Amer Car & 
Foundry
1898 Last wooden car produced for LIRR 1898 wooden LIRR parlor car.

Builder: Pullman, 1902;
Day Coach Jackson & Sharp 1899 In 1876 Jackson & Sharp received a Centennial Award at the Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition, in the “railway plant, rolling stock, engines” category for its passenger, boudoir, and library cars.

LIRR received 1899


SPECIAL CARS BUILDER DATES DATA

Hospital Car

1898-1910

Coach #117 Destroyed
by fire 8/20/1910

 

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LIRR #117 Hospital Car 1897

Superintendent’s Car Pullman 1902-1909
  Jackson & Sharp 1906-1935-8?
E-6 Open Air Car Used for Beach runs
Gas Electric Scoots
Electric/Storage/
Battery: Edison
Electric
1911-1926
Brill Gas Car J.G Brill Company 1914-1926
Trolley Car 

HORSE EXPRESS CAR
B74a Pullman Horse Express Cars: The numbering of B-74a was changed from 5551-5555, 5561-5565, and 5766-5775 to 5800-5819 at the time the names were applied. Over the years various names were applied to the cars. 

Capacity 24 horses; two stalls on each side of the three doors.

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LIRR #143 - Hicksville - Horse express car Class B74a 1947 Archive: Dave Keller
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PRR B74b Horse express car - "Eastern Racing Association  Suffolk Downs"
The PRR horse cars were class B74a/b. From the outside they looked like baggage cars except they had 3 doors per side and a pair of stalls on either side of the doors to transport twenty-four horses maximum. The PRR named all the cars; Atlantic City Racing Association, Aqueduct, Dell Mar Turf Club, Metropolitan Jockey Club, etc.  DD1-340-Tichy Scheme_PRR-B74b-horsecar-from-Brandywine Stables_near-Jamaica_1950-Keller.jpg (82337 bytes)
DD1 #340 in Tichy Scheme - PRR B74b horse express car "Brandywine Stables" near Jamaica 1950 Archive: Dave Keller

DOUBLE DECKER DATA
1932-47
1947-49

 

200-205
1287-1347

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LIRR #132x Photo: R. Glueck

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LIRR #1346 Photo: R. Glueck

C3 Kawasaki 1997-

134 cars  23 Cab controlled cars


RDC BUILDER DATES DATA
Budd 1955- 1967 Sold 12/71

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LIRR #3101 RDC1 at Greenport 9/27/1959

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LIRR #3121 RDC2 with Trailer 
at South Hampton 1956


PASSENGER BUILDER DATES DATA
Starting in December of 1954, the LIRR began an extensive modernization program of all classes of equipment that included complete mechanical rebuilding, new interiors and new numbers to reflect the upgrading. The newly reworked cars were numbered into four number series: 4000 for control motors, 5000 for motor trailers, 6000 for MU trailers, and 7000 for steam coaches.
P54 American Car & Foundry 1912 Steam Cars #139-179, were ex-PRR cars

They had clerestory roofs and came in 1930 to replace 50 P54D "pings" that were converted to MU control motors 1944 to 1983, later renumbered into the 4000 series.

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LIRR  #433 Jamaica 11/27/32
P54A  American Car & Foundry 1911-1914,  #314-370 lirr4920-Jamaica-10-69.jpg (87010 bytes)
LIRR  #4920 Jamaica 10/1969
P54B American Car & Foundry 1913-1918  #379-388
P54D American Car & Foundry 1927 #1-138 74 cars modernized starting 12/1954 and renumbered as part of 7000 series (7002-7481, not all inclusive) Referred to as "ping-pongs". lirr7470-Ronkonkoma-12-71.jpg (88328 bytes)
LIRR #7470 Ronkonkoma 12/19/1971

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P54 blueprint c.1925
P70 American Car & Foundry 1911-1913 after 1926 converted to coaches after Pullman Extra Services Takeover 808-826 lirr824_P70_COACH_former-Parlor-Car_Morris-Park-Yard_1962_WilliamRigen.jpg (122014 bytes)
LIRR #824, former parlor car, Morris Park Yard 1962 Photo: William Rigen

COMBINE BUILDER DATES DATA
PB57 American Car & Foundry 10/1927 610-618

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Modernized 10/1958 and renumbered #7614 Scrapped 9/13/1972 by Naporano Iron and Metal Company, Newark NJ

Note the "Futura" lettering which was considered VERY modern for 1939-40.
Info: Jeff Erlitz

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LIRR #7613 PB57 combine Oyster Bay 
Photo: R. Glueck

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LIRR #7614 Richmond Hill Coach Yard c.1940 Archive: Jeff Erlitz

MOTORIZED/PASSENGER   BUILDER DATES DATA
MP54 means Motor/Passenger car which is 54' long. (there were also "blind motors" which were MP54 cars with no windshields and which were placed within the consist of a train to provide additional power to assist the lead MP54 which was NOT blind. Sort of like a steam locomotive coupled in the middle of a freight train with no view of the road ahead, positioned only to assist the lead steam locomotive(s) in hauling the train. 

MPB54 means Motor/Passenger/Baggage car which is 54' long (known as a "combine car.")
T39, T54 means Trailer cars (no motors) which are 39' or 54' long and were placed in trains with a motor car (MP54) at either end.
MPBM54 means Motor/Passenger/Baggage/Mail cars which are 54' long.
MBM62 means Motor/Baggage/Mail cars which are 62' long, with no vestibules.
The suffixes on the same number cars (MP54a, MP54b, MP54c, etc.) meant various changes such as arched roofs vs. clerestory roofs, etc.)  Research: Dave Keller

Earlier MP54 and MP54A cars had their controls removed, but were not rebuilt (with ASC) and remained in service as mid-train motor trailer cars, since they also had weak collision posts, which was pointed out after the 1950 crashes.  About six or eight cars in the 1600 series of MP54A cars did, indeed, get ASC and finished their decades of service as control motor cars with ASC and were  occasionally seen at the headend of a train. And, of course, there was CT54A #1677, control trailer club car " "Rockaway," but that's another story... Research: Mike Boland
Note: MP54's, were about another 10 feet longer, 5 feet for each vestibule at both ends of the car, at 64' than the MP62 series. 

MP54 American Car & Foundry  1908 50 cars 1401-1450

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MP54A #1632 MPB54 #1391 Heritage cars at Port Washington 7/06/1976 (Votava-Boland)
MP54C American Car & Foundry  1925-1972 29 cars  4844-4883

 

 

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LIRR #4875 MP54C

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LIRR #4855 MP54C Woodside 1969


MOTORIZED TRAILERS
The "T" suffix at the end of some classes, such as MP54T, MP54AT, MP54BT and MP54CT, meant the car, originally a headend car equipped with engineer's controls, had them removed along with whistle, wiper, headlights, etc. and converted to mid-train use as a motor, motorized or blind motor. This meant the car could NOT be at either end of an MU train. The equipment taken from the
cars went into stock used for other MU cars that were equipped with Automatic Speed Control (ASC) and used at headend cars when the State of New York forced the railroad to operated with this feature following the two big 1950 crashes with much loss of life. 

About half of the fleet of MU cars received ASC, the remainder did not. This was a big savings of money; in fact, the LIRR was so broke that the PRR and New York State paid for the installation of ASC. This was a new class of car; as until this time, the railroad had only control motor cars and trailers, but after 1951 this all changed. Not until 1953 and 1955, did the railroad buy new motor trailer cars, specifically built as such by Pullman-Standard. 

Many control motor cars ran in trains and did not have ASC and thus used in mid-train service, even though they specifically were NOT converted to motor trailers. With the car rehabilitation program in 1955, these cars eventually had their controls removed and were renumbered and rebuilt into the 5000-series of cars.

What I like about the LIRR is that there were always exceptions and a number of cars in the 1700-series of arch motors never were converted, and had never been given ASC. They were considered motor trailers even though they were not converted, and in later years their class was changed to indicate they were a motor trailer even when they were not in the shops to have the conversion. A car like this was arch roof 1776, a great number for the Bicentennial. Research: Mike Boland

MP54T American Car & Foundry  1908

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MP54T #1450  Port Washington view W 10/13/62

Part of the first MP54s on the LIRR, it was converted to a motor trailer with the same car number. Perhaps  the shops got lazy or forgot to removed the headlights.

Built in 1908 and was the last car of the class MP54. Car 1451and up were class MP54A; these had slight changes in seating, other modifications, and were a few  inches longer than the earlier MP54 class cars. 
Info: Mike Boland

 

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MP54AT #1520 at Richmond Hill 4/16/1950 (Votava-Boland)

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MP54AT #1403 in Tichy scheme - Converted to a motor trailer  - West Hempstead  5/04/1952 (Votava-Boland)


MOTORIZED/COMBINE  BUILDER DATES DATA
MPB54 1910 -1914

#1350-1381
#1385-1399

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#1379 MPB54 Tuscan red with Dulux 
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#1372 MPB54 Tichy scheme 
Jamaica c.1955

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LIRR  #4398 (ex-#1398) MPB54 in Dashing Dan scheme 
Woodside Station 06/10/1969

MOTORIZED/BAGGAGE  BUILDER DATES DATA
MB62 American Car & Foundry 1910 

 

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MB62  at Clinton Rd. (Henry Maywald-Mike Boland)

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MB62 #4205 (Henry Maywald-Mike Boland)


MOTORIZED/BAGGAGE/MAIL  BUILDER DATES DATA
The first car is one of two MU motor baggage mail cars, class MBM62 1209 and 1210 that were originally ACF in 1925 to have a mail compartment constructed at one end of the car. Some time later a small engineer's compartment door was added to the right side of the car on one side only, the side that had a 6-foot baggage door on the left. Remember, the other side of the car has the mail compartment, but the baggage end has double sliding doors that are about 8-feet wide. 

Look for the mail compartment on the two MBM62's, and that will tell you whether it's a MBM62 or a straight MB62. The MB62's have two windows between the doors and a small window at each end of the car. It's a different look for the MBM62's, a fascinating car and almost as unique as the second car in this consist, an MPBM54. 

The second car is a Motorized Passenger Baggage Mail MPBM5 car and both sides of the car are a little different in the baggage-mail area. Baggage-mail MU's were 1205-1219, although 1215 and up were used as diesel cars, with 1217-1219 running all their years as steam/diesel cars.

The third car is an regular combine, a passenger baggage car, class MPB54, one of the later ones built by ACF since
its baggage door cuts into the letterboard, unlike the earlier cars built by Standard Steel and scrapped in the 1950's. Many of these cars were modernized beginning with 4371 up to 4398, I believe. This combine might be carrying bagged mail or newspapers. Research: Mike Boland

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MU Express Mail train at Babylon: MBM62, MPBM54, MPB54  taken from the high platform at the Babylon freight house just west of Carll Avenue. ViewNE. (Votava-Keller)

 

MBM62 American Car & Foundry 1910 1209-1210 Mail compartments removed after 1963

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MB62 #1215 REA at Babylon 2/08/1947 (Votava-Boland)

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MU REA MB62 #4212 REA RPO Johnson Ave. yard, Jamaica 4/21/1962  (Will V. Faxon, Jr. - Dave Keller

 

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MBM62 RPO RMLI Riverhead View NE 2/09/2006 
Photo: Peter Cusden

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MBM62 #4209 - Johnson Ave., Jamaica 1/15/1964  
(Henry Maywald-Mike Boland)

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MBM62 #4210 (Henry Maywald-Mike Boland)


BG72B

Pullman Standard 1955-56 Nos. 2101-2104 
Bar / Generator Cars
B60B American Car & Foundry 8/1928 715-724 1928 PRR 718 rebuilt to wreck train car W-56, 723 has been preserved
737 Mail compartment added in late forties, class changed to BM60, was rebuilt to wreck train car W-57.

Modernized 12/1955 and renumbered #7723. Withdrawn from service 1970.

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B60B #723 Archive: Jeff Erlitz

MP41

American Car & Foundry 1905 Nos. 1000-1133 first class of MU electric cars, 41' interior lirr1111_MP41.jpg (129479 bytes)
LIRR MP41 #1111 Rockaway Park Yard 
1948 (Rugen-Huneke)
 Gibb's Cars 1905 BRT/LIRR operations; see below MP41-train-crew_c.1908_Keller.jpg (79112 bytes)
LIRR/BRT MP41 "Gibbs Car" c.1908
Archive: Dave Keller

This was a BRT-style coupler, as these MP41 cars were built to run in joint LIRR/BRT operation (which ended in 1917) and were even nicknamed "Gibbs Cars" after the guy who designed the similar electric passenger cars for the BRT.  After purchasing a bunch of these cars in 1905 for operation in newly-electrified territory, the LIRR purchased new MP54 cars in 1909-10.  The shorter, MP41 cars were eventually relegated to rapid-transit service along the Atlantic branch and the longer and newer MP54 cars were used in the rest of electrified territory.  I've never seen the coupler pushed over to one side like that.

MU Cars in Mitchel Field Shuttle Service

A single MP41 was first used in Mitchel Field shuttle service starting in 1933 after the ex-Ocean-Electric streetcars were taken out of shuttle service. Photographic evidence shows MP41 car #1100 and MP41 car #1101 both used in one-car shuttle service in 1933-34.

The single MP41 car had a 2nd car added to it after April, 1934 (photographic evidence) and ran as a 2-car train up to 1950. Photographic evidence indicates there were two sets of MP41 cars used in shuttle service. One set consisted of MP41 cars #'s 1092 and 1089, and one set consisted of MP41 cars #'s 1100 and 1101.

In 1950, the 2-car MP41 (#'s 1100, 1101) shuttle was replaced with a 2-car MP54 shuttle, and all MP41 cars were finally out of service at that time. The MP54 2-car shuttle ran until the end of passenger service in May, 1953. An interesting fact is that tickets were not sold for shuttle rides. Cash fares only were accepted. Research: Dave Keller


LIRR - PULLMAN Promotional  Photo 80 ft., AC, 120 seat commuter car

MP72C Pullman Standard 1955 Nos. 2501-2522 lirr2519-MP-72C_Jamaica-1969.jpg (59511 bytes)
LIRR #2519 MP-72C  Jamaica 1969
Archive: Dave Keller
MP75C Pullman Standard 1963 Nos. 2525-2536
Converted to control trailers 5525-5536
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LIRR #2534 MP-75C Hempstead 1/20/68 Photo: Votava Archive: Dave Keller
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LIRR #2536 MP-75C Jamaica 1969
Archive: Dave Keller
MP72T Pullman Standard 1955-1956 Nos. 2602-2674
Converted to PT-72C,
PP-72B and BG-72B

MP75T Pullman Standard 1963 Nos. 2675-2692
Converted to trailers 5675-5692
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LIRR #2679 MP-75T Jamaica 1969
Archive: Dave Keller
P69 Osgood Bradley 1925 8519-8522 lirr8520_Glueck.jpg (60042 bytes)
LIRR #8522 ex D&H #211 
Photo: R. Glueck
P72 Pullman Standard 1955-1956

Nos. 2901-2980 except
2949 & 2957

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LIRR #2970 LI City 4/1970 Photo: Jim Parker

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 LIRR #2932 P72 - Port Jefferson 1965
Note:  steam heat connector by air lines underneath coupler. John Deasy
P72 Bar Pullman Standard Rebuilt 1975

2990-2992, former
2905, 2970, 2957

P72A Pullman Standard 1955 2801-2844
P72G / Bar
P74A Pullman Standard 1924 2001-2003
P74B Pullman Standard 1935-37

7526, 7533-41, 7545-7549

P74B Bar Pullman Standard 1935-37

7522-7525, 7527, 7530-31, 7540,          7542-44, 7550

 

P-74D Parlor Pullman Standard
HEAVYWEIGHT Parlor cars 6-wheel trucks
1923-27 2013-2036 lirr2020_P74D_Parlor-Patchogue_Yard-Montauk_05-15-66 (Rugen-Keller).jpg (72837 bytes)
LIRR #2020 "PATCHOGUE" Montauk Yard 05/15/66 (Rugen-Keller)
P80F Amer Car & Foundry 1949 No. 2073 “Tuckahoe”
P80G Budd 1949 Nos. 2081-2082
PP72B Pullman Standard 1955-56 Nos. 2011-2021
PT72A Pullman Standard 1553/1955? 2801-2844
PT72 Bar Pullman Standard 1955-56 2890, 2892, 2894
PT72C Pullman Standard 1955-56

2846-2898 Even Nos. only plus 2792, 2794, 2796

 

PT75 Pullman Standard 1963 2701-2723 odd #’s
PT75A Pullman Standard 1963

2702-2736
Even #’s only

PT74 Bar Pullman Standard 1963 2705
GTEL Budd/GE/Garrett 1977-? 8 cars purchased
Gas Turbine Power trains 4 GE/ & 4 Garrett GE’s converted to M-1s Garrett’s scrapped
M-1 Budd 1968-2007 770 cars First run 30 DEC 68 Retired FEB 07 Nos. 9001-9770 Built: 1968-72
M-3 Budd 1985- 174 cars phased in 85-86 Nos. 9771-9944 Renumbered 9891-2 to 9945-6 after shooting
M-7 Bombardier 2004-

836 cars purchased  7001-7836

M-9